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But if more people are going to be working from home, they may want/need office furniture, such as a computer "Mickey" desk...
It looks as if Northern have decided to read the bus guidelines and apply the same to a train!
Unlike a bus I can’t see how they can particularly enforce the seating plan, not an issue at the moment as the services are still pretty quiet but that’ll probably change soon...
But if more people are going to be working from home, they may want/need office furniture, such as a computer "Mickey" desk...
It looks as if Northern have decided to read the bus guidelines and apply the same to a train!
Unlike a bus I can’t see how they can particularly enforce the seating plan, not an issue at the moment as the services are still pretty quiet but that’ll probably change soon...
2023? You mean 3023? And in Scotland and Wales maybe 4023I see in today's Times that SNCF, having enforced distancing for 3 weeks, has now released all seats as normal.
Given our risk averse government (and population) we might follow their example in about 2023.
2023? You mean 3023? And in Scotland and Wales maybe 4023
In all seriousness though I would imagine that come June 16th they’ll realise that things are getting busy and the distancing they’re asking of us is simply impracticable and unsustainable. Given the infection rate I don’t imagine they’ll release all seats yet, but I’d be very surprised if come August we weren’t running a near enough full timetable with most if not all seating available. As things ease up it will become more obvious that social distancing simply won’t work in this setting, so perhaps moving from that to a strategy of enforced mask wearing and compulsory reservations would suffice.
The first sensible step to me would be compulsory reservations and masks (as you say) but only to offer one out of every pair of seats for reservation.
But the death and infection rate in France is lower than the UK. They handled the crisis better and they are further along the curve. The UK *seems* to be about 2 weeks behind France at this point. Perhaps we can implement the French policies when our infection and deaths rates are alongside theirs, but we could also decide that it's a bad idea if the French experience is bad.I see in today's Times that SNCF, having enforced distancing for 3 weeks, has now released all seats as normal.
Given our risk averse government (and population) we might follow their example in about 2023.
Yay!! There is it again, have you tried contacting the RH Shapps on the matter? I'm sure he'll love trying to impose it in a couple of weeks...
Have you got a script set up to flag up every time I refer to it?
It is a completely unfeasible concept though.
So infeasible that LNER are doing it and Avanti West Coast sort of are?
I love the way people on this Forum sometimes relentlessly parrot that something isn't possible when someone is actually doing it.
2023? You mean 3023? And in Scotland and Wales maybe 4023
In all seriousness though I would imagine that come June 16th they’ll realise that things are getting busy and the distancing they’re asking of us is simply impracticable and unsustainable. Given the infection rate I don’t imagine they’ll release all seats yet, but I’d be very surprised if come August we weren’t running a near enough full timetable with most if not all seating available. As things ease up it will become more obvious that social distancing simply won’t work in this setting, so perhaps moving from that to a strategy of enforced mask wearing and compulsory reservations would suffice.
I see in today's Times that SNCF, having enforced distancing for 3 weeks, has now released all seats as normal.
Given our risk averse government (and population) we might follow their example in about 2023.
But the death and infection rate in France is lower than the UK. They handled the crisis better and they are further along the curve. The UK *seems* to be about 2 weeks behind France at this point. Perhaps we can implement the French policies when our infection and deaths rates are alongside theirs, but we could also decide that it's a bad idea if the French experience is bad.
I’m afraid I agree with the former poster.
The focus now needs to be on resuming normal life as soon as possible, for all of our benefit (and actual normal life, not a post apocalyptic “new normal”). Whether that means being able to book train tickets to travel in the ordinary way, or simply socialising as usual in the local pub (or equivalent).
The priority now needs to be getting the economy going again.
I haven't actually said anything that contradicts above in what you quoted. Instead, I've pointed out that the argument "but France is doing <X> now means that we should!" is flawed. If your reasoning for releasing restrictions is that other countries are doing it, then that's flawed reasoning. If your reasoning is non-comparative, then that's beside my specific point here.I’m afraid I agree with the former poster.
The focus now needs to be on resuming normal life as soon as possible, for all of our benefit (and actual normal life, not a post apocalyptic “new normal”). Whether that means being able to book train tickets to travel in the ordinary way, or simply socialising as usual in the local pub (or equivalent).
The priority now needs to be getting the economy going again.
My local OpCo has a provisional date for changes (mainly so that furloughed staff are kept in the loop), but nothing set in stone. It'll be when we enter phase 2, anyway.Not convinced it will be a lot busier from June the 15th . Scotland who knows when the services will increase
How long do you propose doing it for? How long are people going to be told that public transport is bad? How long will the government keep throwing money at an empty network?So infeasible that LNER are doing it and Avanti West Coast sort of are?
I love the way people on this Forum sometimes relentlessly parrot that something isn't possible when someone is actually doing it.
How long do you propose doing it for?
How long are people going to be told that public transport is bad?
How long do you propose doing it for? How long are people going to be told that public transport is bad? How long will the government keep throwing money at an empty network?
I've done a lot of off peak travel on weekdays. It normally isn't hard to keep away from other people, though there are exceptions of course. In my experience Saturdays are often the worst as there is a steady flow of shoppers and day trippers into the cities.
Have you got a script set up to flag up every time I refer to it?
It is a completely unfeasible concept though.
So infeasible that LNER are doing it and Avanti West Coast sort of are?
I love the way people on this Forum sometimes relentlessly parrot that something isn't possible when someone is actually doing it.
Coronavirus: Students might have to stay in 'protective bubble'
Coronavirus: Students might have to stay in 'protective bubble'
When university campuses open students might have to live and study in small groups to limit mixing.www.bbc.co.uk
You really do have to wonder what planet the people that come up with this kind of thing come from?!
Coronavirus: Students might have to stay in 'protective bubble'
Coronavirus: Students might have to stay in 'protective bubble'
When university campuses open students might have to live and study in small groups to limit mixing.www.bbc.co.uk
You really do have to wonder what planet the people that come up with this kind of thing come from?!
The debate about the detailed implementation of rail travel arrangements in the coming weeks and months is interesting, but I wonder if there is a bigger picture here to consider.
Personally, unless or until there has been some major advance in treatment or prevention of Covid 19, I will not be choosing to take the option of shared space and potential infection on public transport, if I have the option of travelling in my own personal guaranteed clean and isolated space - my car. I say that as a lifelong advocate for the use of public transport - people less inclined to be biased as I am, will, I think, be much more in favour of using their cars.
The cumulative impact on passenger numbers, possibly for years to come, may be very significant.
There was a student ranting on the Today programme this morning that university was a waste of her money because it was all about getting away from home rather than learning. Maybe she'd justified the fees by offsetting some of the cost with the expected savings on drinks in the student union's bar.Coronavirus: Students might have to stay in 'protective bubble'
Coronavirus: Students might have to stay in 'protective bubble'
When university campuses open students might have to live and study in small groups to limit mixing.www.bbc.co.uk
You really do have to wonder what planet the people that come up with this kind of thing come from?!