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So looks like some 44's now operate again from Central after the new timetable changes. Not sure if that's going to be every day or just at weekends.
 
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Quite a few Central buses on the 44 today incl 354

Service 5 looks like Central today as well
 
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Looks to be the following. There’s probably more but this is all I’ve noticed so far.

1016 now at Central
1017 and 1050 TBC. 1017 looks to have worked a Central service already, 1050 to Marine if you read my next bit.
1022-1027 now at Marine.
Up to and including 419 now appear to be at Marine as well, although this could be wrong by a few buses.

My thinking is numerically up to and including 342 are no longer required based on the existing movements, the rest (343-350) would go on the reduction of service or further vehicles going to Marine (420-425 remain at Central, so a case of 6 in (420-425), 6 out (343-348) maybe once enough new B5TL’s are in place at Central.) I’m not saying this will happen but I wouldn’t be surprised if Central’s ex London B9TL’s or the Enviro 400’s (201-215) move again. 1017 and 1050 could be the last two needed to take the total to 8 and allow the last two to go like for like (349-350). 1017 would move based on new B5TL’s as well. At this stage I’m unsure as to what B9TL’s have actually gone, but assuming the number of buses needed hasn’t gone up for Marine (seems unlikely) then up to 342 should no longer be needed. I should stress this is by no means correct, so for example 341 may still be in use with 347 going, again purely an example by using the lowest numbers left.

Service 19 appears to be getting allocated most of these extra ex London’s that Marine has received. I had one to work this morning and for me they’re just so much better than the outgoing B9TL’s. My only concern with them has always been space but hopefully with the 19 maintaining its frequency it should work fine.

In any case I’m overthinking this and will any of this happen? Possibly some of it but all of it no.
 
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FlybeDash8Q400 said:
Looks to be the following. There’s probably more but this is all I’ve noticed so far.

1016 now at Central
1017 and 1050 TBC. 1017 looks to have worked a Central service already, 1050 to Marine if you read my next bit.
1022-1027 now at Marine.
Up to and including 419 now appear to be at Marine as well, although this could be wrong by a few buses.

My thinking is numerically up to and including 342 are no longer required based on the existing movements, the rest (343-350) would go on the reduction of service or further vehicles going to Marine (420-425 remain at Central, so a case of 6 in (420-425), 6 out (343-348) maybe once enough new B5TL’s are in place at Central.) I’m not saying this will happen but I wouldn’t be surprised if Central’s ex London B9TL’s or the Enviro 400’s (201-215) move again. 1017 and 1050 could be the last two needed to take the total to 8 and allow the last two to go like for like (349-350). 1017 would move based on new B5TL’s as well. At this stage I’m unsure as to what B9TL’s have actually gone, but assuming the number of buses needed hasn’t gone up for Marine (seems unlikely) then up to 342 should no longer be needed. I should stress this is by no means correct, so for example 341 may still be in use with 347 going, again purely an example by using the lowest numbers left.

Service 19 appears to be getting allocated most of these extra ex London’s that Marine has received. I had one to work this morning and for me they’re just so much better than the outgoing B9TL’s. My only concern with them has always been space but hopefully with the 19 maintaining its frequency it should work fine.

In any case I’m overthinking this and will any of this happen? Possibly some of it but all of it no.
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Is a difference made between the standard-length B9s and the short B9s, when vehicles are allocated to a route?
 
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Blindtraveler said:
From a passenger point of view I have to agree that the X London stock is so much better, perhaps we should buy loads more of it and convert it to Lothian spec rather than buying new.
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There’s a whole bunch meant to be leaving London soon. Obviously won’t happen but they’re relatively cheap as well.

Mind you even B9TL’s are getting on a bit now.
 
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Blindtraveler said:
From a passenger point of view I have to agree that the X London stock is so much better, perhaps we should buy loads more of it and convert it to Lothian spec rather than buying new.
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In what sense? I'd agree that the ex-London B9s are slightly better than the native B9s because they've been refurbished, but refurbishment aside (i.e. seats, floors), are they any better? I'd say the new B8s and B5s are better than the ex-London vehicles as the new ones have audio announcements.
 
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In what sense? I'd agree that the ex-London B9s are slightly better than the native B9s because they've been refurbished, but refurbishment aside (i.e. seats, floors), are they any better? I'd say the new B8s and B5s are better than the ex-London vehicles as the new ones have audio announcements.
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For me personally it's if you go from an ex London with the heavy refurb, high backed seats and classy dark interior to the blue bus seated native example it feels more than a two year jump backwards.

I'm sure had the native examples had the same treatment we'd all be up at arms saying why get rid, stick exhausts on them and keep them!

The blue hasn't aged well at all, thankfully this round of disposals is chipping away at the remaining stock with them as the 10 plates onwards have either than dark maroon or brown/tan colour palate going on!
 
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I would agree that the black-on-black aspect of the new livery looks better - reflects recent deliveries and modernises the buses to an extent. Now that the new ECB/LCB livery has been announced, which will the new E400s for ECB arrive in? I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a split between those already painted before the livery change and those after, which will make for an interesting contrast. I will also be interested as to their interiors, with ECB’s new vehicles to date having their green moquette and coach style seating we will see if this precedent is followed or disregarded.
 
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Vectron383 said:
I would agree that the black-on-black aspect of the new livery looks better - reflects recent deliveries and modernises the buses to an extent. Now that the new ECB/LCB livery has been announced, which will the new E400s for ECB arrive in? I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a split between those already painted before the livery change and those after, which will make for an interesting contrast. I will also be interested as to their interiors, with ECB’s new vehicles to date having their green moquette and coach style seating we will see if this precedent is followed or disregarded.
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Last I heard was all new E400s were for Lothian with ECB getting cascades?
 
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