bramling
Veteran Member
TfL has already said it'll be honoured but it will be delayed until the summer. It will be based on February RPI (plus a small percentage so will be above inflation).
What is the rationale for delaying until the summer?
TfL has already said it'll be honoured but it will be delayed until the summer. It will be based on February RPI (plus a small percentage so will be above inflation).
It had always been planned to be paid then.What is the rationale for delaying until the summer?
It usual gets paid in April but since Covid, it's been delayed each year until June/July and backdated.What is the rationale for delaying until the summer?
Reading the interim pension report that has been ruled out due to it discriminating on ageRMT strikes tent to fizzle out fairly quickly, if aslef are involved it is another ball game.
I can see the pension scheme being closed to new starters in the near future.
ASLEF have an open strike mandate - 98% in favour if I recall. I hope they've been negotiating rather than announcing action.RMT strikes tent to fizzle out fairly quickly, if aslef are involved it is another ball game.
I can see the pension scheme being closed to new starters in the near future. have a mandate - 98% in favour of strike action if I recall.
Aslef have disproportionate clout due to being a Driver Only union, if/when they go out it tends to be properly crippling for the service and that's what actually matters - no trains, no point.ASLEF have an open strike mandate - 98% in favour if I recall. I hope they've been negotiating rather than announcing action.
However, they obviously don't have the station staff and other grades that RMT does, so maybe they don't think 98% of 1700 members carries as much weight as 94% of 11,000 members?
Not detracting from your point in any way, but it’s worth pointing out that Aslef are not a “driver only union.” The Aslef website says “Any person in the line of promotion to train driver or train operator employed by any railway undertaking, a supervisor who has been so employed and staff involved in the operation of trains on light and private railways wishing to become members of this Society are eligible to join.”Aslef have disproportionate clout due to being a Driver Only union, if/when they go out it tends to be properly crippling for the service and that's what actually matters - no trains, no point.
Not detracting from your point in any way, but it’s worth pointing out that Aslef are not a “driver only union.” The Aslef website says “Any person in the line of promotion to train driver or train operator employed by any railway undertaking, a supervisor who has been so employed and staff involved in the operation of trains on light and private railways wishing to become members of this Society are eligible to join.”
In an LU context, Aslef also have members and reps for Service Control (1 out of 5 on the council) and Operational Managers (again 1 out of 5).
The railway hasn't changed much in the last 2 years, except some fluctuations in passenger numbers. Most of us went to work every day, same as always.Remember the RMT live in the 1970s, and it hasn't dawned on them the world has changed in the last 2 years due to Covid.
No, that was Neasden depot only and concerned the imposition of rosters.Does this have anything to do with the Met Line action that was due today and tomorrow? I got an email from TFL saying it had been called off but I hadn't seen anything mentioned about it before.
It is still the case, since the abolition of the DSM grade, nobody in the stations structure is able to join Aslef.No idea if that's been a recent development or they've always had such a provision, but when I was in Ops (out for more than six years now) Station Grades absolutely couldn't join Aslef - it was an iron divide that was resented because many Station Staff would have preferred a more "pragmatic" alternative to the RMT/Finsbury Park Mafia - Tessa always being seen as too small/supine to matter to Management.
This would seem to indicate that as T/Op recruitment is open to all grades internally (or it was pre-Night Tube) that anyone could now join them. It would be interesting to hear from anyone current if it's now the case.
So:For anyone interested, this was the ballot results...
Two 24-hour Tube strikes will go ahead after peace talks with transport bosses broke down, the RMT union has said.
Some 10,000 London Underground workers who are union members have been told to walk out at 00:01 GMT on 1 and 3 March.
The dispute is over plans by Transport for London (TfL) to cut up to 600 station posts, as well as concerns over pay, pensions and working conditions.
TfL described the action as "extremely disappointing" and said no jobs would be lost as part of the proposals.
Walkouts are due to run from 00:01 GMT until 23:59 on both days. The action is separate to the ongoing Night Tube strikes over rotas.
RMT Press Office:
London Mayor blocks progress in ACAS talks
LONDON TRANSPORT UNION RMT confirmed that members will be taking strike action next week as planned over LU’s continuing refusal to give assurances on jobs, pensions and working conditions in the midst of an on-going financial crisis driven by central Government. The union says that the Mayor stands accused of talking the talk over the financial meltdown engulfing transport in the Capital while failing to walk the walk by backing his own staff.
There's not much agreement internally either. Most of the un-brainwashed non RMT members don't get why they're striking.I can't see much sympathy being generated here. Most of the capital has spent the last two years learning how to function working from home and will do exactly that on 1/3 March. Those that can't are going to be inconvenienced, but they're mainly key workers and targeting them is a bit of a PR own-goal.
Meanwhile the DfT can now reply to TfL's next bailout request with "Even with the money we're giving you, you still don't manage to run a proper service."
I agree but own-goals have never worried the RMT in the past so i don't see why they will now.I can't see much sympathy being generated here. Most of the capital has spent the last two years learning how to function working from home and will do exactly that on 1/3 March. Those that can't are going to be inconvenienced, but they're mainly key workers and targeting them is a bit of a PR own-goal.
There's not much agreement internally either. Most of the un-brainwashed non RMT members don't get why they're striking.
Even within the RMT, less than 50% of their members voted for strike action.
Train Op grade consolidation is not part of this dispute. That is the 6 month night tube only strikes (that is having very little impact on the service ran).To be fair to RMT, the two main issues seem to be pensions and train op grade consolidation.
Both of these are an example of LU quite considerably moving goalposts. In the case of grade consolidation I have to say I wouldn’t be overly happy if I were in the position where a completely new service is introduced which suddenly resulted in me having to work quite a few extra nights per year, premium payment or otherwise. I know LU’s perspective is that it shouldn’t be too hard to find someone prepared to do a swap, but one shouldn’t have to rely on that all the time.
But by the same token with ASLEF content with the new arrangement, it’s unlikely to be something RMT are going to win.
Pensions will be a salient issue if the review leads to invasive changes, and if this turns out to be the case then we can be assured this will be something we hear a lot more about in due course, almost certainly with ASLEF involvement (and probably TSSA too). I do feel RMT are jumping the gun though, as I sense pension changes aren’t something TFL particularly wants to do off their own back, they are being pushed into it by Johnson.
This is not 100% the case. I was significantly held up by one of these protests, yet understand and sympathise with their view that the rapid decarbonisation needed will not be achieved without this sort of pressure…There's never "sympathy" from the outside when Strike Action happens on any Transport Mode - how much sympathy did the Climate Emergency Protesters get when they blocked slip-roads to the M25 recently? None from anyone affected. That's the point. They don't need "sympathy" they want to make "their" point.
One of our members will be travelling down to London on Thursday the 3rd of March.
If the strikes still goes ahead roughly what sort of reduction in frequency are you looking at please ?
Lots of station closures and minimal train services (if any).One of our members will be travelling down to London on Thursday the 3rd of March.
If the strikes still goes ahead roughly what sort of reduction in frequency are you looking at please ?
Where they are travelling from and to in London? There's still a comprehensive bus service and central London isn't actually too big to be able to walk to most places comfortably, assuming said person is able-bodied.One of our members will be travelling down to London on Thursday the 3rd of March.
If the strikes still goes ahead roughly what sort of reduction in frequency are you looking at please ?
One of our members will be travelling down to London on Thursday the 3rd of March.
If the strikes still goes ahead roughly what sort of reduction in frequency are you looking at please ?