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Yes, they are. They are usually obliged to via the licence - this goes back to the original 1999 hearings for Hull Trains and the perceived need to protect network wide through journey opportunities.
I have just booked today(Sat 30th Oct) for Weds 03rd November, a return on 10.45 London-Edinburgh and 16.12 Edinburgh-London back, for £19.99 each way, to try out the service, I will do trip report after get back, it was easy to book, had no major problems, and surprised got the cheap fare so near the day.
Dont know how much it's changed post covid but historically Friday afternoon/early evening out of London and Sunday afternoon/Early evening in to London was the traditional weekend rush.
LNER operate 3 trains an hour southbound from Edinburgh to Kings Cross most of Sunday afternoon, along with a couple of extra service from Newcastle to Kings Cross.
I could only select preference, not specific seat, I’m happy got cheap seat next week, I presume its not too heavily booked, if still cheap seats available, unless its based on when booked, rather than quota etc.
1025 Lumo from King's Cross is shown as 10 minute late start today. Lost a bit more en route, 22 late at Grantham, but right time arrival in to Edinburgh.
On a related note, will be interesting to see if Lumo manage the 4hr03m southbound run Sunday morning with their 1053 ex Edinburgh.
There lots of pathing and engineering performance , on most of the Lumo services, so making up quite a lot time, on a good day is possible, maybe as much as about 30 mins, as the Sunday 10.53 Edinburgh-London Lumo service does it in 4 hours o3 mins, which only 3 mins slower than the 05.40 Edinburgh to London flyer, Ill try do a run on the Sunday, 10.53 Edinburgh-London Lumo service, some day.
Lump only running between Doncaster and Edinburgh when ECML services are diverted via Lincoln during November/December weekends. Connections made with Hull Trains...
The Hull/Lumo switch at Doncaster suggests interesting possibilities. Using Lumo's cheap London/Newcastle fares, could you get a cheap ride between Doncaster and either London or Newcastle?
The Hull/Lumo switch at Doncaster suggests interesting possibilities. Using Lumo's cheap London/Newcastle fares, could you get a cheap ride between Doncaster and either London or Newcastle?
For London you would only save £1, the Lumo single from London to Newcastle is £59, while the Hull Trains single from London to Doncaster is £60. The day return to Doncaster is £62 and the period return is £81.
For Newcastle you would save £10.40 on a single from Doncaster, but again, only if you're only going one way. If you're coming back a return is £70.40, so no saving from a Lumo only ticket.
I could only select preference, not specific seat, I’m happy got cheap seat next week, I presume its not too heavily booked, if still cheap seats available, unless its based on when booked, rather than quota etc.
While Trainsplit will undoubtedly allow a specific seat to be chosen, for the period of Lumo's promotional fares, the extra cost to book a 'normal' advance fare isn't worth it.
While Trainsplit will undoubtedly allow a specific seat to be chosen, for the period of Lumo's promotional fares, the extra cost to book a 'normal' advance fare isn't worth it.
Is there more information on how long Lumo are going to be engaging in the (dubious) practice of offering cheaper fares where people book directly through them and not through other retailers?
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Is there more information on how long Lumo are going to be engaging in the (dubious) practice of offering cheaper fares where people book directly through them and not through other retailers?
I have got backward facing window seat, both ways, so is coach E the un reserved coach? And the seating plans are awful to see, so as anyone worked out A seat plan and numbers for coach E, and can I give Lumo Eats, an un reserved seat number, to pre order to? Or have i go to sit in booked seat to use Lumo Eats? It’s not clear if can on website, just says should sit in reserved seat.
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If anyone interested, just checked Lumo website, and there’s still £19.90 seats available this Wednesday, if anyone wants to grab cheap day out to Edinburgh, and try out the Lumo service.
There lots of pathing and engineering performance , on most of the Lumo services, so making up quite a lot time, on a good day is possible, maybe as much as about 30 mins, as the Sunday 10.53 Edinburgh-London Lumo service does it in 4 hours o3 mins, which only 3 mins slower than the 05.40 Edinburgh to London flyer, Ill try do a run on the Sunday, 10.53 Edinburgh-London Lumo service, some day.
Is this implying that all southbound LUMO services are likely to arrive early into Kings Cross? There's certainly lots of reports floating around of LUMOs arriving 5 mins early at the moment.
Is this implying that all southbound LUMO services are likely to arrive early into Kings Cross? There's certainly lots of reports floating around of LUMOs arriving 5 mins early at the moment.
They won't arrive significantly early as running them out of path will cause issues with punctuality of other trains. It is not uncommon for long distance trains including LNER to arrive up to five minutes early as there is a bit of recovery time at the end of the journey.
Wasn’t implying Lumo, arrive very early, unless other trains, due to conflict with the Lumo are running late etc, and the Lumo gets put in front, more that theres lots of recovery time, so if the Lumo running late, with a good run, can Make up the delay.
Something I've found interesting today is that with the disruption being experienced at Tallington Junction, Lumo service 1S93 was sent forward to wait at Peterborough in the Down Fast line while 1S12, the following LNER service leapfrogged it to be given Platform 1 to wait in! Whoever is on duty at Peterborough PSB must have a grievance against FirstGroup!
Something I've found interesting today is that with the disruption being experienced at Tallington Junction, Lumo service 1S93 was sent forward to wait at Peterborough in the Down Fast line while 1S12, the following LNER service leapfrogged it to be given Platform 1 to wait in! Whoever is on duty at Peterborough PSB must have a grievance against FirstGroup!
It was quite blustery in the Peterborough area early this morning.
Reported as overhead line damage near Tallington.
Currently 3 trains stood at Perborough station waiting to head north, 4 trains stood on the down slow line south of Holme, and a further 2 currently St Neots and Huntingdon.
Southbound they seem to be passing through the area but with delays.
And more importantly, my garden fence panels have been blown blown over this morning!
It was quite blustery in the Peterborough area early this morning.
Reported as overhead line damage near Tallington.
Currently 3 trains stood at Perborough station waiting to head north, 4 trains stood on the down slow line south of Holme, and a further 2 currently St Neots and Huntingdon.
Southbound they seem to be passing through the area but with delays.
And more importantly, my garden fence panels have been blown blown over this morning!
Network Rail have advised a further tree branch near Greatford Level Crossing foul of the contact wire. A block to the electric traction has been implemented for section 256 on the Down Fast.
MOM ETA 12:40
Update 12:10
1A91 is now on the move after striking tree branches.
1Y20 08:55 Newcastle to London reported a tree on the overhead line on the Down Slow only in the Tallington area near P549 signal Section 56 has had a blocked to electric traction imposed. Mobile operations manager is attending.
A further report of tree on the down slow a Lolham between P533 and P537 signals. Block to electric traction has been implemented for section 52. Fast line is open at caution. Off track ETA 60mins.
Update 11:57
Network Rail have just advised that another tree has fallen onto the Down Fast.
1D09 10:07 Kings Cross to London is to examine the line.
Update 11:40
Network Rail have advised us that the Down Fast has now reopened.
Update 11:30
Network Rail have reported section 48 (Nene to Bretton) tripped at 1053. A block to electric traction has been implemented on the Down Slow through the down platforms 4 & 5. The Down Fast is also currently blocked to be inspected.
I wonder if they will run the additional 13;51 service from Edinburgh or will they keep it back to run the 15;45 service (as the inbound for that one is caught with the Peterborough issues).
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Edit, it appears not. On board the relief train now (003)
I noticed that on RealTimeTrains, last Monday's Lumo passenger services (which was the first day of operation) were listed as `VAR`, not as `WTT`, and hence not being listed in the simple search- was there any particular reason for this or just a lag in the timetabling? (I assume www.traintimes.org.uk also uses the same info and only lists WTT services - it didn't show Lumo services for a few days but does now)
Looks like Edinburgh passengers are going to get turfed out at Newcastle as the Edinburgh arrival is now down as cancelled and the return 1540 return from Edinburgh is now showing to be started at Newcastle.
I noticed that on RealTimeTrains, last Monday's Lumo passenger services (which was the first day of operation) were listed as `VAR`, not as `WTT`, and hence not being listed in the simple search- was there any particular reason for this or just a lag in the timetabling? (I assume www.traintimes.org.uk also uses the same info and only lists WTT services - it didn't show Lumo services for a few days but does now)
It was done to remove them from journey planners and set the mandatory reservation flag due to fears of overcrowding from the amount of anytime tickets sold.
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