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Man hit by train near Wrexham
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Thoughts to the Victim(s) - the man & his family and Close Friends.
SouthEastern-465
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Not meaning this in a nasty way, but suprisingly he still survived with serious leg injuries.
devon_metro
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Must be report these incidents? They are frequent occurrences on the railway and publicising them only goes to encourage others to do it if in that mindset.
Don't you think that most people have the intelligence to already know that a person+at least 70ton of train going over 30mph=almost certain death
royaloak
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Which is why they do it!
merlodlliw
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The national press reported it, if that's what you mean.Personally it wont make any difference whatsoever
merlodlliw
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from this mornings local paper.
http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/85376/man-dies-after-being-hit-by-train-in-wrexham.aspx
http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/85376/man-dies-after-being-hit-by-train-in-wrexham.aspx
Very sad news, the area has been extensively refenced in the Gresford area the only easy access to the line in that area is Rosset R/G crossing I think
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All the insensitive postings have been removed - please think twice before clicking 'Post'.
Greeny
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No offence meant to you transportphoto, I assure you. In respect of the mans familly etc I agree 100%. However, I've seen what such acts do to Train Drivers and my own opinion, frankly, is sod the victim.
Sorry.
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Yet another post on a fatality with comments being made before the official report into the cause or details of the incident. Why do people jump to conclusions without knowing the facts?
Greeny
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Hello 142094, your point noted, understood, and fully accepted. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear - I did not say it was a suicide. Just that I had no sympathy whether it was suicide or accidental.
TDK, I expressed an opinion based on what I have seen at some 45+ fatalities - suicides and accidental deaths of trespassers and colleagues. So with all due respect,
1. How many dead bodies have you stood over ?.
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2/. How many people have you hit whilst driving your train ?.
Well, the words pot, kettle, and black spring to mind here. Sorry if I am being a bit slow on the uptake here, but precisely to what conclusions have I jumped ?.
What is the point in having a language if people are unwilling, or unable to use it ?.
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Point noted, and I agree I wouldn't have sympathy if it indeed turns out to be a suicide, but I may have sympathy if it turns out to be a tragic accident.
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Answer to question 1, the dead bodies I stood over were not recognisable as human, I have offered many drivers the chain of care and it is a lot more difficult for a driver to come to terms with a fatality if it is accidental rather than a suicide. You cannot possibly "sod the victim" if it was an accident, you would notlike it if I said "sod the victim" if a member of your family was run over by a car say.That was my point, I wasn't trying to undermine you and believ me I know the trauma a fatality causes to the familys of the victim and the driver and others involved.I myself have been affected to the stage where I have been reduced to tears.
Answer to Question 2. No I haven't had a fatality whilst driving a train
To answer you question "Sod the victim" is not a reasonable statement as no facts have yet been published.
Greeny
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No argument.
Oh, Ive seen the trauma and suffering that Drivers and families go through - for 8 years I used to take the family of a 17 year old boy who was electrocuted on top of a train at Edge Hill back to the scene once a year whilst they laid a wreath and remembered him, and it was a very sad sight to see their grief, which never left them. I always used to feel sorry for them, and I would think to myself what bloody harm have they (the family) done to anyone to deserve this ?.
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this aspect, TDK. Personally, I differentiate between somebody hit by a car and somebody hit by a train. This is because anybody can accidentally walk into the path of a car. To walk into the path of a train (accidentally or deliberately) they have to have made a deliberate, conscious decision to be somewhere that they had no right to be, particularly where 3rd rail or OLE is involved. Hence my attitude of no sympathy for such people. I knew that Railways were dangerous when I was six my Mother gave me a terrific hiding for playing on a railway line and after that I didnt do it again. If (which I very much doubt) this turns out to have been an accident in, so far as the victim fell from a platform, or went on the line to pull somebody clear of danger, then I will just have to eat the old brown stuff.
Apart from seven staff fatalities, I have only ever felt any sympathy for two victims; the first was an eight year old boy at Whiston in 1977 who was dragged along on the front of the train for over a mile, and the second was a 77 year old man, who was stone deaf and who had walked out of a Psychiatric Hospital for a stroll. He had no idea that railways were dangerous so was walking back to traffic in the 4ft in the Rainhill area in 1989.
I could well imagine, I too have seen Drivers in some pretty bad states following fatalities, particularly where children were involved.
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The vast majority of the public dont care about the train driver, they think we are robots and should just get back in the cab and get them home, all they care about is themselves.
I have known drivers have a fatality and the thing which got to them the most was the passengers attitude towards them as if they did it deliberately so they wouldnt have to take the paxs home, selfish and ignorant. One driver I know never got back in the cab after one.
I have known drivers have a fatality and the thing which got to them the most was the passengers attitude towards them as if they did it deliberately so they wouldnt have to take the paxs home, selfish and ignorant. One driver I know never got back in the cab after one.
I have met 2 drivers who never drove a train again and one went to alcohol and lost his family so, yes, it does affect drivers in different ays. As for the passengers all they are interested in is getting to their destination.Some have compassion but not may.
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With this statement, aren't you omitting a major source of accidental deaths on the railway: Footpath crossings? I've seen numerous RAIB reports which show that people can die on these in truly unfortunate circumstances.
Greeny
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Hello Sniper,
Your comment noted and accepted. In such situations though, a person on such a crossing is probably entitled to be there. Though saying that, I still find it hard to have any sympathy with them for one very good reason (good to me anyway, and I'm not claiming to be right, nor asking anybody to agree with me). As I have said before in a few places, when it comes to level crossing safety, the British public are bloody stupid. If they used such crossings properly (and sensibly) the vast majority of fatalities would never have taken place. I've attended four such fatals - one suicide and three accidents. Of the latter, the 'victim' has just walked onto the crossing without looking looking or asking and been hit.
Again, my sympathy is first with the Driver, then the families, then those who have to scrape it up.
Anyhow, thanks for the comment.
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