May 2022 Timetable Changes

[Bletchleyite]

Thanks. However RTT is showing the Marston Vale service as trains from May. Is this correct?

I have not seen any publicity on this yet. I hope so!

 

[JonathanH]

Other than the Northern Network are there any other areas in the UK where there are bus substitutions for trains?

Still one on the North Staffordshire line and for connections to Spondon. Continues into the May timetable.

Realtime Trains | 0B00 1645 Derby to Stoke-on-Trent | 23/03/2022

Real-time train running information for 0B00 1645 departure from Derby to Stoke-on-Trent on 23/03/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Wilts Wanderer]

Hasn’t there been bus substitution at Barlaston since about 2004? Or has that ended now, although I hadn’t seen anything about the station being formally closed.

 

[jfollows]

D&G bus 100 still running, funded by DfT according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlaston_railway_station
Timetable at http://dgbus.co.uk/assets/100_2021-04-04.pdf ; Hanley-Stoke-Wedgwood-Barlaston-Stone 7 services each way on a weekday.

 

[Marton]

Just looked at RTT for May and see that the early Middlesbrough to Whitby train has gone. The return is now a bus from Nunthorpe.

The late middlesbrough to Whitby and return are now buses.

I thought it might just have been the week I chose being half term but the information shows it’s that till December.

Has there been a consultation/announcement or does anyone have any insights into the reason.

 

[Watershed]

Just looked at RTT for May and see that the early Middlesbrough to Whitby train has gone. The return is now a bus from Nunthorpe.

The late middlesbrough to Whitby and return are now buses.

I thought it might just have been the week I chose being half term but the information shows it’s that till December.

Has there been a consultation/announcement or does anyone have any insights into the reason.

This was alluded to in the recent TfN meeting by Northern's MD, as an example of one of the cuts done essentially as a prioritisation of more remunerative routes (e.g. keeping Saltburn-Darlington half-hourly, one presumes).

 

[BucksBones]

If I recall, 1 Crewe, 2 Northampton (and beyond) fast to Leighton Buzzard, 2 MKC all stations, 2 Tring semifast. Which is getting close to the pre-WCRM timetable, though I think the latter may have been Hemel as Tring had no terminal platform back then.

That's very interesting.....must be December I guess as it's not showing for May. So Tring gains an extra train to make 4tph to compensate for the lack of the Southern service and Cheddington gets 2tph? If so that's doubly good news for Tring as the more attractive service from Cheddington should attract passengers from the villages who currently drive to Tring. Should relieve the pressure on Tring station car park.

If I recall, 1 Crewe, 2 Northampton (and beyond) fast to Leighton Buzzard, 2 MKC all stations, 2 Tring semifast.

That's very interesting.....must be December I guess as it's not showing for May. So Tring gains an extra train to make 4tph to compensate for the lack of the Southern service and Cheddington gets 2tph? If so that's doubly good news for Tring as the more attractive service from Cheddington should attract passengers from the villages who currently drive to Tring. Should relieve the pressure on Tring station car park.

 

[infobleep]

It also duplicate the Cut back of MKC service inevitable given it duplicates LNWR services but good to see the WGC service is commencing. That just leaves the Maidstone East services to get us to the 24TPH that Thameslink promised us for five years of disruption

It also duplicates London Overground so they could cut it back to Sjepberds Bush to Watford Junction if they really want to avoid all overlap.

 

[A S Leib]

Sjepberds Bush to Watford Junction

Or even down to Wembley Central to avoid duplicating the Watford DC services.

 

[London Trains]

Or even down to Wembley Central to avoid duplicating the Watford DC services.

Or even just build some WCML platforms on the slow lines at Willesden Junction and bin off the service.

 

[Peregrine 4903]

Or even down to Wembley Central to avoid duplicating the Watford DC services.

It doesn't duplicate the DC services though as its significantly faster and quicker.

 

[A S Leib]

It doesn't duplicate the DC services though as its significantly faster and quicker.

Considering it's twenty two minutes faster and was hourly whilst the Overground ran four times an hour, most of the time changing at Willesden Junction would still have got there earlier.

 

[cle]

They have two functions. I do prefer the current Southern as a future LO service to Watford only at 2tph (runs on WCML slows as today) - of course Willesden platforms would be great, but not forthcoming any time soon.

But as a LO branch, and branded - I think it'd do way better. And 2tph would offer a lot more connectivity at Watford. Maybe even send them through to St Albans Abbey, if the loop is ever done to unlock 2tph. Pathing is flexible on there!

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Or even just build some WCML platforms on the slow lines at Willesden Junction and bin off the service.

Always felt that should have happened along time ago and certainly connectivity should be driving such investment decisions now.

 

[DelW]

The thing about that is that it is only Bookham that has 1tph. The other stations all get 3tph. Bookham isn't exactly a metropolis.

Dorking probably would be fine with 2tph but equally the stations between Guildford and Effingham Junction don't need 4tph.

Those "other stations" only get 3tph for passengers going to Waterloo or its main-line approaches. There are plenty of people from Guildford and surrounding areas who need to get to Leatherhead, Epsom, Sutton and the like, who now only get an hourly service. Wasting up to an hour each way because the train times don't suit your schedule is a strong disincentive to using the railway. Those who have access to cars are probably more likely to be using them (and those who don't are more likely to be buying them), despite current petrol prices.

 

[paulravuslante]

TfL Rail timetables from 15th May 2022 now posted on their website: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tfl-rail/tfl-rail-timetables?intcmp=27614

On the West there are minor timing revisions and all Heathrow services will call at Acton Main Line

 

[Horizon22]

TfL Rail timetables from 15th May 2022 now posted on their website: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tfl-rail/tfl-rail-timetables?intcmp=27614

On the West there are minor timing revisions and all Heathrow services will call at Acton Main Line

Sensible decision for Acton ML, was always odd the Hayes terminator (now T2&3) didn't stop there. I will presume this is in advance of the Central sectioon operating to improve connectivity and reduce reliance for Acton residents on the Central line.

The peak Reading services are now rather irregular - contrary to general TfL aims! - and not at an even 15 minutes.

 

[Graeme.Hutchis]

Southern trains keep on bleating they have brought back a full timetable on the Horsham road but I'm still waiting on the 05.15 x Horsham to Victoria to be reinstated but i suspect I'm clutching at straws with this one.

 

[Deerfold]

TfL Rail timetables from 15th May 2022 now posted on their website: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/tfl-rail/tfl-rail-timetables?intcmp=27614

On the West there are minor timing revisions and all Heathrow services will call at Acton Main Line

It is annoying that they don't include stopping GW services - I used to live at, and still visit, Burnham - there's only 3 GW services call, two afternoon peak and the last service of the day from London and 2 early and the last service of the day. It's very easy to miss that those few extra services exist.

 

[paulravuslante]

It is annoying that they don't include stopping GW services - I used to live at, and still visit, Burnham - there's only 3 GW services call, two afternoon peak and the last service of the day from London and 2 early and the last service of the day. It's very easy to miss that those few extra services exist.

Luckily GWR timetable T10 shows the full service with GWR / TfL services. Guess it’s TfL ideology to only refer to their own services.

 

[Deerfold]

Luckily GWR timetable T10 shows the full service with GWR / TfL services. Guess it’s TfL ideology to only refer to their own services.

Thanks for that. I correct my last comment - there's another later GWR service I'd missed.

Only the last 2 trains on a Sunday night that serve Burnham (in the early hours of Monday morning) miss out Taplow - that made sense when Taplow had no Sunday service, but TfL serve it half-hourly for most of the day, so seems a little odd, now.

 

[EllieAquitrain]

They have two functions. I do prefer the current Southern as a future LO service to Watford only at 2tph (runs on WCML slows as today) - of course Willesden platforms would be great, but not forthcoming any time soon.

But as a LO branch, and branded - I think it'd do way better. And 2tph would offer a lot more connectivity at Watford. Maybe even send them through to St Albans Abbey, if the loop is ever done to unlock 2tph. Pathing is flexible on there!

Would there be paths on the WCML to cross from the Down Slow to the Abbey Branch? Would be mildly confusing for non-locals to have Overground services on two different sets of platforms, perhaps it could be shown on the Tube Map as separate lines linked by dumbbells. One for when Khan (hopefully) fulfils his promise to brand the Overground lines?

 

[Peregrine 4903]

They have two functions. I do prefer the current Southern as a future LO service to Watford only at 2tph (runs on WCML slows as today) - of course Willesden platforms would be great, but not forthcoming any time soon.

But as a LO branch, and branded - I think it'd do way better. And 2tph would offer a lot more connectivity at Watford. Maybe even send them through to St Albans Abbey, if the loop is ever done to unlock 2tph. Pathing is flexible on there!

There is no capacity for 2tph.

 

[Bald Rick]

Would there be paths on the WCML to cross from the Down Slow to the Abbey Branch? Would be mildly confusing for non-locals to have Overground services on two different sets of platforms, perhaps it could be shown on the Tube Map as separate lines linked by dumbbells. One for when Khan (hopefully) fulfils his promise to brand the Overground lines?

the issue is that any train waiting to access the branch has to wait until the previous branch train has left. Massive performance risk.

 

[Tramtrain]

Are TPE quietly ditching the planned extra calls at Cramlington/Widdrington on their North of Newcastle journeys? The only call showing at CRM now is the ~0710 call towards Newcastle and nothing NB.

 

[TheManOnThe172]

Are we yet at the point where RTT and journey planners are showing the final timings for 16 May onwards?

I have been hassling EMR (via my MP) about the Matlock service, and they had said they had hoped to fix the problem timing in the May timetable (2024 to Matlock is earlier than the normal hourly departure, and so is missed by the 1902 from St Pancras - meaning that you can get to Lockerbie sooner than to Matlock in an evening if you have an offpeak ticket.)

RTT is showing a change of timings for 16/5 compared to 9/5 (departure now one minute earlier !), so I am presuming that this will be the final iteration of the new timetable - but wanted to check before going back to my MP to go back to EMR and ask whether, having failed to fix the problem in the timetable as they had hoped, they would now consider an easement (allowing offpeak and superoffpeak on 1832 from StP to Matlock branch stations) instead.

 

[Watershed]

Are we yet at the point where RTT and journey planners are showing the final timings for 16 May onwards?

I have been hassling EMR (via my MP) about the Matlock service, and they had said they had hoped to fix the problem timing in the May timetable (2024 to Matlock is earlier than the normal hourly departure, and so is missed by the 1902 from St Pancras - meaning that you can get to Lockerbie sooner than to Matlock in an evening if you have an offpeak ticket.)

RTT is showing a change of timings for 16/5 compared to 9/5 (departure now one minute earlier !), so I am presuming that this will be the final iteration of the new timetable - but wanted to check before going back to my MP to go back to EMR and ask whether, having failed to fix the problem in the timetable as they had hoped, they would now consider an easement (allowing offpeak and superoffpeak on 1832 from StP to Matlock branch stations) instead.

There will still be some alterations, but broadly speaking what is in the timetable data now will be what runs. So you would be quite right in getting back to your MP and saying they haven't fixed it.

 

[Class 170101]

Requires 1M95 to be shown as 4A vice 4 and no doubt other changes too.

 

[urpert]

Not quite sure where to pose this question but this thread seems as good as any.

Other than the Northern Network are there any other areas in the UK where there are bus substitutions for trains?

This has been a bus for a while for reasons unclear to me (there’s no mention of it on the XC website):

Realtime Trains | 0B00 1630 Peterborough to Leicester | 07/04/2022

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[mtmikethom]

Greater Anglia May Timetable now on website