Pretty sure I saw some sort of activity through the motorway fence last week. Will try to have another look soon
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Darklord8899
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Taken from Monday's N&P....
Section 5.1 – Notice of Public Inquiries to be Held
Public Inquiry (79723) to be held at Level 6 (Edinburgh), EH1 3EG, The Stamp Office, 10 Waterloo Place, Edinburgh, on 30 July 2019 commencing at 10:00
PM0000015 SN MCGILL'S BUS SERVICE LTD
Director(s): JAMES EASDALE, RALPH ROBERTS, ALEXANDER EASDALE
99 EARNHILL ROAD, LARKFIELD INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, GREENOCK, PA16 0EQ
S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
S26 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 26 (The Transport Act 1985)
S28 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 28 (The Transport Act 1985)
Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
....seems like they have upset the TC somewhat....
Anyone able to shed light on what they (allegedly) have done/ have not done?
It's not an operation I know much of, but while I am a aware from time to time big operators are hauled in front of the TC to answer allegations there seems to be a few issues here....
Section 5.1 – Notice of Public Inquiries to be Held
Public Inquiry (79723) to be held at Level 6 (Edinburgh), EH1 3EG, The Stamp Office, 10 Waterloo Place, Edinburgh, on 30 July 2019 commencing at 10:00
PM0000015 SN MCGILL'S BUS SERVICE LTD
Director(s): JAMES EASDALE, RALPH ROBERTS, ALEXANDER EASDALE
99 EARNHILL ROAD, LARKFIELD INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, GREENOCK, PA16 0EQ
S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
S26 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 26 (The Transport Act 1985)
S28 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 28 (The Transport Act 1985)
Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
....seems like they have upset the TC somewhat....
Anyone able to shed light on what they (allegedly) have done/ have not done?
It's not an operation I know much of, but while I am a aware from time to time big operators are hauled in front of the TC to answer allegations there seems to be a few issues here....
They have also lost Lanarkshire Dab routes as from this week Many routes are evening and Sunday only so could be operated with minimal amount of Buses
Darklord8899
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I was just in the middle of writing my post on this subject, when you sneaked in and stole my thunder 
maybe the new T C has read online comments too such as trustpilot with many having very poor experience of that firm and only giving one star because you cannot award no stars
Perhaps new Traffic Commisioner showing what she is made of Looks as if it's maintenance and operations according to the sections of the 1981_and 1985 transport acts
I don't think there is a problem with their financial Standing even though they took a dividend of £3.3m when they made only £108k after tax
this equates to 73p profit per week over their 400 vehicles Its hardly worth doing and they will soon need to have 60% of their fleet in Glasgow eur o 6 by end of the year
Depending on outcome of the PI they could have discs authorisation cut forcing a reduction in their network
overthewater
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Most of its fleet going into Glasgow are on taggart to be Euro6. Just look at the no23 and 26. No3 is easy to change. The Company has been on cutbacks since the start of the year so could take any reduction without changing its current network.
Good point, how big is their present network? With their previous network of 400 vehicles that would require a replacement of 25 vehicles per annum assuming a life of 16 years or an annual investment of around £4m on last profit of £108k the maths don't seem too hot
GaryMcEwan
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Maybe this new TC is gonna give them the bloody shake that they need. The previous TC from I can make out let them away with murder...
There appears to be serious maintenance issues at Johnstone depot.
The 38 PVR is 27 on weekdays. This is rarely met in the morning peak and it has been consistently like this for the last 9 months or so. Multiple consecutive journeys failing to operate is commonplace.
Their twitter account blames technical issues, breakdowns and a run of bad luck in response to complaints. Vast improvements were promised in December 2018 and again in March this year but neither materialised.
The 38 PVR is 27 on weekdays. This is rarely met in the morning peak and it has been consistently like this for the last 9 months or so. Multiple consecutive journeys failing to operate is commonplace.
Their twitter account blames technical issues, breakdowns and a run of bad luck in response to complaints. Vast improvements were promised in December 2018 and again in March this year but neither materialised.
Jordan Adam
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The previous TC was quite "soft" on operators most of the time. Hopefully this new one is stricter. Many independent operators are still trying to get away with cutting corners that they shouldn't and operating unsuitable vehicles.
Can you provide examples of such?
Joan A itken could be tough,she was quite proud of annual test improvem ent over he r 15 ye ars . Wheel !oss guaranteed a PI and if the ope rator hasn't told her before dvsa found out it was much worse . Shadow companies more of less ended and lies at a PI lost operators licences.
The 38 has been operating a reduced school holiday service since Mon 1st July. McGill's have not publicised this or made a timetable available to the public. The app continues to show normal weekday times.
When asked customer services respond it is a normal timetable and a holiday service begins 15th July. Utter lies.
It is not surprising they are being called to enquiry if they cover up the truth and show such arrogance and contempt towards customers.
When asked customer services respond it is a normal timetable and a holiday service begins 15th July. Utter lies.
It is not surprising they are being called to enquiry if they cover up the truth and show such arrogance and contempt towards customers.
Another contributor said the 38 pvr was 27 buses which they can't meet due to maintenance problems
If the 38 was registered as a frequent service ie every 10 minutes no less than 6 buses an hour and not more than 15 minutes between buses then even though they strive to operate a 6 minute service as long as it met the definition of a frequent service then they probably get away with it from the TC
If the 38 was registered as a frequent service ie every 10 minutes no less than 6 buses an hour and not more than 15 minutes between buses then even though they strive to operate a 6 minute service as long as it met the definition of a frequent service then they probably get away with it from the TC
Jordan Adam
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The timetable shows a 5 minute frequency (offpeak), They have to run all journeys scheduled, they won't get away with continuously missing journeys, especially if it's the same journey that's being missed.
It will all come out in the washing at the PI on 30 July
Jordan Adam
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Indeed, it all comes down to how much journeys they're missing and how long it's been going on for.
Quite a lot of Mcgill s work going to other op erators this weekend and much of what is left is evenings or Sunday's only Glasgow based routes could easily be transferred to Johnstone or Inchinnan i e 329 and 72 Has cut backs on Renfrewshire created enough space for some of all of ci oatbridge to be transferred ?
smtglasgow
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Never know what to make of McGills. They run a smart fleet and have invested a fair bit in recent years, bringing the age-profile down quite a bit. But they’ve slashed their network over the last couple of years and if you go by Ralph Roberts twitter feed they’re struggling badly with falling passenger numbers and congestion. The XP23 debacle left a bad taste – it came across as a sneaky way to ramp up fares on a captive market – and despite all the PR guff they pump out, the whole operation never seems to live up to the hype. Can’t imagine they’re making much money out of the Glasgow end of the 38 – 24 buses an hour between Cardonald and the city is way too many and First seem to hang on to the majority of passengers within the city.
When you think back a few years to how ambitious they were – and how convincing it seemed – it’s hard to see where they go from here. Would they even be able to make an offer for some of the scraps (I’m thinking depots rather than opcos) from the First or Arriva sales?
When you think back a few years to how ambitious they were – and how convincing it seemed – it’s hard to see where they go from here. Would they even be able to make an offer for some of the scraps (I’m thinking depots rather than opcos) from the First or Arriva sales?
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It's a very weird company, and has always talked a good game, but unfortunately just hasn't cut the mustard. In Dumbarton is lost £2million for what? Monklands again went in ( I believe it was far to late) and it has all gone pee wally, and SPT tenders haven't worked out either. Mcgills are not the only operate in town in Govan, Stagecoach now cover Govan road area along with the Subway, so competition has increased, but it does still get plenty of passengers along the Paisley road.
Mcgill has never done much to tough up its bread and butter services. It has Braehead on its doorstep, but it services are so so, ( who is going to sit for an hour on a bus to travel to the shops?) and its determined to operate everything via Renfrew X and that cross is a knightmare at times. It's Clyde flyers are slow and cumbersome, It would far better to split the services in two /three routes.
Mcgill has never done much to tough up its bread and butter services. It has Braehead on its doorstep, but it services are so so, ( who is going to sit for an hour on a bus to travel to the shops?) and its determined to operate everything via Renfrew X and that cross is a knightmare at times. It's Clyde flyers are slow and cumbersome, It would far better to split the services in two /three routes.
It just makes you wonder how much worse things would get if First weren't up for sale and Stagecoach started making more inroads to Glasgow and renfrewshire. They're certainly struggling currently
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....*says sarcastically * I wouldn't be surprised if Lothian moved in and hovered up McGills
Mc gill s announce a 5%increase in f ares commencing tomorrow 15 July
this will not affect weekly monthly or Xp fares
Md Ralph Roberts says this increase which he says is first major increase for two years is due to increAsed costs including wages and insurance
this will not affect weekly monthly or Xp fares
Md Ralph Roberts says this increase which he says is first major increase for two years is due to increAsed costs including wages and insurance