Meaning of "Interavailable"?

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  1. adambowie

    adambowie Member

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    Next week, inner suburban services on Great Northern will run nearly without exception to Moorgate. They currently run to Moorgate Mon-Fri until about 10pm when they switch to King's Cross. They also run to King's Cross only at weekend.

    Aside from essentially the first and last trains, all services will run to Moorgate.

    My question is this: I tend to buy tickets to London Terminals - ie. not Travelcards. For the most part I travel to King's Cross, which means I have to change trains at Finsbury Park during my morning/evening commutes.

    However I note on the Great Northern website they include this paragraph:

    Does this mean that my ticket is actually valid for the Highbury & Islington to King's Cross route on the Victoria Line should I choose to travel that way? (I'm usually carrying a Brompton during my commute, so the Underground wouldn't be my preferred route anyway.)

    I must admit, I can't find a defintion of what "interavailable" actually means.

    Thanks,


    Adam
     
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  3. Arctic Troll

    Arctic Troll Established Member

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    National Rail tickets to London Terminals are valid to Kings Cross and to Moorgate. As the Moorgate branch is usually closed on a weekend, these tickets are also valid on London Underground services between Finsbury Park and Kings Cross, and between Kings Cross and Moorgate (but not at intermediate stations, except Highbury and Islington).
     
  4. adambowie

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    Thanks. As I say, from next week, services will run to Moorgate seven days a week.

    I was mostly thinking of weekends, when a change at Finsbury Park will be needed at weekends to continue in to King's Cross. However that will add ~20 mins to the journey, waiting for a Cambridge or Peterborough service to stop at Finsbury Park.

    However I take the rules as saying that I can use my national rail ticket for the Highbury & Islington to King's Cross leg of the journey.
     
  5. hairyhandedfool

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    In the case of National Rail and London Underground tickets, there are certain stretches of line that duplicate routes and so an agreement was made that tickets from either party would be valid between certain stations by either service. The list of sections is known as "Interavailable routes" and last I checked it was as follows:

    Amersham and Harrow on the Hill (Metropolitan line)

    Harrow on the Hill and Marylebone/Baker Street (Metropolitan Line)

    Barking and West Ham (District Line)

    Barking and Fenchurch Street/Tower Hill (District Line)
    (also DLR from Limehouse to Tower Gateway)

    Upminster and Barking (District Line)

    Finsbury Park and Highbury & Islington (Victoria Line)

    Finsbury Park and London Teminals (Victoria Line and Piccadilly Line)
    (Also Circle, Hammersmith & City, Metropolitan and Northern line to Moorgate)

    West Hampstead/Kentish Town and London Thameslink stations (by reasonable route)
    (unless routed to exclude LUL services)

    West Hampstead/Kentish Town and Barbican/Moorgate (by reasonable route)
    (only where the ticket is to Barbican Und or Moorgate Und)

    Richmond and Stratford (by reasonable route)

    West Brompton and Willesden Junction (District Line and Bakerloo Line, change at Paddington)

    Harrow & Wealdstone and Queens Park (Bakerloo Line)

    Queens Park to Zone U1 and beyond (Bakerloo Line and beyond)

    Stratford and Liverpool Street (Central Line)

    West Ruislip and South Ruislip (Central Line)

    Singles and Returns (not seasons) valid between Seven Sisters/Tottenham Hale/Walthamstow Central and Zone 1 are valid on the Victoria Line from those stations to any station in Zones 1-3
     
  6. yorkie

    yorkie Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    It is valid.

    You may be interested to hear that we have a RailUK Fares & Ticketing Guide which covers this.

    Extracts from the London Underground & DLR section:-

     
  7. Hadders

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    National Rail tickets issued to London Terminals from stations on the ECML route usually operate the barriers at Kings Cross Underground station.

    You will need to ignore the misleading poster displayed at Kings Cross Underground Station about ticket acceptance on tickets marked to 'London Terminals' which I first complained about back in the summer.

    Some poorly trained Underground will deny it's valid but it is absolutely 100% valid.

    See the following threads from earlier this year.

    http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=119472

    http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=121199
     
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  8. block6panger

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    Without starting a new thread. I am considering a season ticket from Headstone Lane to Elstree & Borehamwood. A 12 month point to point ticket would cost £1,156.00. (Valid only for travel via (changing trains or passing through) West Hampstead.)

    I realise that this is not valid on any bus but my question is, would this ticket be valid for me to get on at West Hampstead underground, ride to Northwick Park and walk across to Kenton station and complete my journey?

    If it is valid, am I permitted to ride back to Finchley Road or even enter at Finchley Road?

    Considering all this, does anyone have any other suggestions?
     
  9. 30907

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    The obvious route for this ticket is on National Rail only via Willesden Jn to West Hampstead Overground and walk the few metres to WH Thameslink. You would need a considerably more expensive Zones 2-6 Travelcard to use any LUL service (other than the Bakerloo of course - which is listed in the post you quoted).

    I am not sure why you have highlighted Harrow on the Hill-London, as the ticket you are considering does not use that route.
     
  10. block6panger

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    Yes I realise that is the usual and obvious route but I was wondering because of disruption or any other reason, would it be possible to use the underground?

    Having just read 'Note that tickets are NOT valid at intermediate stations unless specified otherwise', then I would guess not.
     
  11. PeterY

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    I'm looking at the list and wondering, could an All Line Rover be used on a Met line train between Amersham and Harrow on the Hill?
     
  12. yorkie

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    National Rail fares are valid between these stations, so I see no reason why not.
     
  13. Joe Paxton

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    No, because the interavailability only applies to "National Rail single, return and season tickets".

    Edit - I see that Yorkie suggests otherwise above. I think my interpretation is right, but I'll let the collected expert minds on here battle it out (in a fraternal manner of course!).
     
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  14. greatkingrat

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    Rovers are considered Season Tickets though (as long as they are valid for 7 days or more).
     
  15. bb21

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    Are they?

    The NRCoC lists it as a leisure pass, separate to season tickets, and the current NRCoT also lists it separately to season tickets. Rovers can be Railcard discounted. Season tickets cannot.

    They may be treated effectively like season tickets for some purposes, but is this a given in all circumstances?

    (I genuinely do not know the answer, or what the intention was with the wording of these interavailability arrangements so not intended as a rhetorical question.)
     
  16. yorkie

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    When you say "only" is that your interpretation, or is that defined anywhere? Is there really an intention to exclude Rovers/Rangers or is it more likely that they just were not thought of when the wording was put together?
     
  17. Silver Cobra

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    I have a query with regards to the interavailability between Kings Cross and Moorgate. I'll start by explaining the situation first.

    Today I have travelled from Biggleswade to Southend Central. Where Fenchurch Street is closed today and all c2c services are running from Liverpool Street, I decided to save some money over the normal through ticket by splitting at Moorgate, as it is only a short walk from there to Liverpool Stret. As such, I'm travelling on the following:

    Biggleswade to London Terminals Super Off-Peak Day Return £9.10 (Network Railcard discounted)
    London Terminals to Southend Central Super Off-Peak Day Return £8.50 (Network Railcard discounted)

    For my outbound journey, I changed at Finsbury Park onto a Moorgate service. However, after reading about this interavailability, for the return journey, I'm considering travelling to Kings Cross on the Northern Line to catch one of the fast non-stop GN services to Biggleswade. I looked on NRE to see if it offered any itineraries for this, but other than changing at Finsbury Park onto the services that stop at Stevenage, it only offered a route via Highbury & Islington, which required a Super Off-Peak Day travel card.

    So, is my ticket definitely valid for travelling between Moorgate and Kings Cross on the Northern Line? I apologise if this is a silly question, but I just want to be sure I won't reach the barriers at Kings Cross At Pancreas and find my ticket won't let me out and/or get stung with a penalty. On the flip side, I don't want use my Oyster credit if I don't need to.

    Many thanks!
     
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  18. Hadders

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    Definately valid on the Northern Line between Moorgate and Kings Cross (and the Metropolitan/Circle/H&C lines too). In my experience the ticket will operate the barriers at these stations too.
     
  19. yorkie

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    Yes, definitely valid.

    Most staff know of this, but some will falsely claim it's not valid.
     
  20. Silver Cobra

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    Good to know. Thanks for your replies :) I'm making my way back to London now, so hopefully all will go well.

    **Update: The ticket worked the barriers at both Moorgate LU and Kings Cross St Pancras with no issues.
     
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