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Merseyrail legacy fleet updates (Class 507/508)
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Realtime Trains | 0N38 1656 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 18/06/2023
Real-time train running information for 0N38 1656 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 18/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Realtime Trains | 5Q78 2240 Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 18/06/2023
Real-time train running information for 5Q78 2240 departure from Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) on 18/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Has it be confirmed the scrap move will consist of 2 units - 507012 and 508115?Realtime Trains | 0N38 1656 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 18/06/2023
Real-time train running information for 0N38 1656 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 18/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.Realtime Trains | 5Q78 2240 Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 18/06/2023
Real-time train running information for 5Q78 2240 departure from Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) on 18/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Class37Colas
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Does anyone know what class 37 will be pulling the units to Newport?
SuperLuke2334
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Not sure, but the light loco path inbound was auto activated and hasn't yet left, which suggests to me it may not run. Nothing showing on Traksy for its departure either...
SuperLuke2334
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Light loco path cancelled. Anyone know the reason why? Units not ready or a ROG side issue?
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I'd be surprised if the cancellation wasn't because of the weather, it's not been nice here in the wirral for the last few hours
SuperLuke2334
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That's interesting, thanks. It may be because of that. I hadn't thought of weather
DJH1971
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Has the move to Simms been rescheduled?
The_Train
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Could be that Merseyrail are deciding whether it should be a 507, 508 or 777 that is sent to Sims next
Class37Colas
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777s are brand new so they won’t be sent, it is probably 507012 and 508115 as they have already been withdrawn.Could be that Merseyrail are deciding whether it should be a 507, 508 or 777 that is sent to Sims next
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SuperLuke2334
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No path in yet.
I'd presume it has been re-planned, but there's no paths in the system yet. I imagine they'll wait until the usual Sunday/Monday path.
Wezz
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The units did not go to Simms last night, the move was cancelled due to issues with the Class 37.
SuperLuke2334
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Thanks for the explanation. Any idea on its rescheduling?
Class37Colas
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I think the scrap move will be this week but it won’t necessarily stick to the normal schedule, it will probably run before Sunday. I’ll keep an eye out on RTT.
If the scrap move is to run before Sunday I believe it will run on Thursday as not many 37s are being used on that day.
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SuperLuke2334
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I was asking a member who clearly knows what the plans are, but you're working on guesswork. It is more likely they'll use the Sunday path, as that's what they usually use. I'll await more trusted confirmation.
It has been known for them to use a 57 before rather than a 37. I'm not up to date on ROGs fleet though, so no idea if it's still an option.
SuperLuke2334
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They've no longer got any 57s.
Cheers for that!
If anyone is interested the following were seen out yesterday (Saturday 24th June):
Chester: 005 / 010 /029 / 124 / 128 / 131 ?
Ellesmere Port: 011 / 013 / 111
New Brighton: 016 / 020 / 032 / 137
West Kirby: 002 / 021 / 026 / 033 / 112
Southport: 023 / 028 / 031 / 104 / 108 / 114 / 125 / 130 / 136 / 139
Kirkby: 017 only the rest were class 777.
Ormskirk: one unidentified set and the rest were class 777.
Stabled at New Brighton were 015 / 038
There were at least 5 stabled at Southport, and a further two at Kirkdale with at least one set visible at Birkenhead North.
777 005 was noted at West Kirby. There was no sign of recently withdrawn 008 and 115. does anyone know if / when they were sent to Newport ?
Chester: 005 / 010 /029 / 124 / 128 / 131 ?
Ellesmere Port: 011 / 013 / 111
New Brighton: 016 / 020 / 032 / 137
West Kirby: 002 / 021 / 026 / 033 / 112
Southport: 023 / 028 / 031 / 104 / 108 / 114 / 125 / 130 / 136 / 139
Kirkby: 017 only the rest were class 777.
Ormskirk: one unidentified set and the rest were class 777.
Stabled at New Brighton were 015 / 038
There were at least 5 stabled at Southport, and a further two at Kirkdale with at least one set visible at Birkenhead North.
777 005 was noted at West Kirby. There was no sign of recently withdrawn 008 and 115. does anyone know if / when they were sent to Newport ?
SuperLuke2334
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Not gone to Newport yet.
Wezz
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Last Kirkby service with a 507/8 will be the 23:55 LVC - KIR on Friday night. All services will require a battery unit to operate beyond Fazakerley when the line reopens on Monday 14th August.
pokemonsuper9
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Why for beyond Fazakerley not Kirkby?
pokemonsuper9
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I'm pretty sure Kirkby isn't closing?
I think you mean Kirkby, not Fazakerley don't you? The third rail is to Kirkby anyway and what I have heard, battery operation only comes into affect between there and Headbolt Lane. Have you heard something different then?
Just answer another poster, Kirkby Station remains very much open and remains part of the network, it serves a community near by as well as the nearby town centre.
Wezz
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The agreement between Merseyrail & Network Rail is that no 777/0's are to go beyond Fazakerley, therefore only 777/1's can run beyond Fazakerley.
Kirkby is the limit of the 3rd rail but 777/1's are to be used to prevent gapping if one overshoots Kirkby station.
I never imagined a Class 777/0 being used on that particular service anyway, as it been made clear from the outset when Headbolt Lane opened, it would be only battery provide units (now Class 777/1) would used on the line to Kirkby. Again my understanding 'battery power' is only between Kirkby and Headbolt Lane, the remainder to / from Fazakerly etc remains 3rd rail power.
Elecman
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The 3rd rail is being shortened at Kirkby to before the platform starts to avoid any possibility of 3rd rail return current getting beyond the IBJ at Kirkby once the buffet stop is removed by a unit overshooting whilst on electric traction