Metrolink to go regional?

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The Stockport Strategy also suggested that:

http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/do...20Strategy.pdf

This would presumably mean running tram-trains via Denton and Guide Bridge, with a new link to the existing Metrolink East Manchester Line. Not sure if this would count as a "regional" service?

Both those areas are within the TfGM already-administered area and therefore not external to the TfGM boundaries.

 

[spargazer]

What happens when in CP6 the Manchester Airport to Mobberly link is finished, 2025? Metrolink will be able to reach Hale.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

What happens when in CP6 the Manchester Airport to Mobberley link is finished, 2025? Metrolink will be able to reach Hale.

Presumably the freight trains will also still be running at the end of CP6, should that also be seen to be brought into the equation.

 

[pemma]

What happens when in CP6 the Manchester Airport to Mobberly link is finished, 2025? Metrolink will be able to reach Hale.

Not sure how your reasoning works.

Metrolink (in the form of tram-trains) could extend beyond Altrincham now. If all Metrolink services to Altrincham were tram-trains it would eliminate the need for a single track section through Navigation Road - and that is something TfGM have looked at.

Building the Airport line would not automatically mean a service can cease to operate between Mobberley and Stockport and freight trains use the line as well as already discussed. Only if a new service provides a full replacement for the existing one can the existing one end.

 

[spargazer]

The plan is for through trains to Northwich, Chester and beyond so the line could remove bottlenecks elswhere and if only we had 319s through Sale and Altrincham. The thought of stone trains passing through Manchseter Airport sounds good.

 

[pemma]

The plan is for through trains to Northwich, Chester and beyond so the line could remove bottlenecks elswhere and if only we had 319s through Sale and Altrincham. The thought of stone trains passing through Manchseter Airport sounds good.

Building a new line doesn't allow you to stop providing a service on an old line if different settlements are served by different lines. An hourly Chester-Stockport-Manchester service will still have to be provided as well unless you can prove there is no demand for the existing service as a result of the new service. I doubt you can. If you provide 2tph from Chester/Northwich/Knutsford to Manchester via Manchester Airport then you might get way with cutting the existing service back to just Northwich-Stockport but not withdrawing it.

Sending people wanting to get to Old Trafford from Cheshire via Manchester instead of via Altrincham would be a nightmare for Metrolink!

 

[Bletchleyite]

Sending people wanting to get to Old Trafford from Cheshire via Manchester instead of via Altrincham would be a nightmare for Metrolink!

While I do agree the existing service would remain (even if cut back to Altrincham if the tram takes over the Stockport bit), it probably isn't sensible to plan the entire service around football/cricket when these aren't on every day; the problem there could be solved with a fleet of buses on match days if it actually was a problem.

(Of course, if going to the football, they could use the EMUs to Manchester United Football Ground Halt - assuming that still runs?)

Neil

 

[pemma]

While I do agree the existing service would remain (even if cut back to Altrincham if the tram takes over the Stockport bit), it probably isn't sensible to plan the entire service around football/cricket when these aren't on every day; the problem there could be solved with a fleet of buses on match days if it actually was a problem.

(Of course, if going to the football, they could use the EMUs to Manchester United Football Ground Halt - assuming that still runs?)

Neil

I didn't actually say Old Trafford stadia even though it would be match days that would create the biggest nightmare for Metrolink. There are also a lot of businesses based in the Old Trafford area and many people do commute from Cheshire to those businesses on a daily basis.

The Northern Rail shuttle does operate on Man United match days but Metrolink still struggles. A number of football fans travelling to the city centre walk to Salford Quays Metrolink after the match because they can get back much faster than waiting to be allowed to board a tram/train at Old Trafford. The wait to get on a tram after a football/cricket match at Old Trafford can be up to 60 minutes in either direction. The line really misses the 8 car EMUs it saw on match days under BR, together with 4 car DMUs making additional calls at Warwick Road (now Old Trafford Metrolink) on their way to/from Chester.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The thought of stone trains passing through Manchseter Airport sounds good.

Sounds good to whom?....hock:
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I didn't actually say Old Trafford stadia even though it would be match days that would create the biggest nightmare for Metrolink.

Is it not the case that the proposed Trafford Centre Metrolink line will have a stop near to the Manchester United football ground?

 

[pemma]

Is it not the case that the proposed Trafford Centre Metrolink line will have a stop near to the Manchester United football ground?

The two proposed stops between Imperial War Museum and Event City would be 'Village' on Ashburton Road East serving Trafford Park Village and 'Parkway' near Parkway Circle roundabout in Trafford Park.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The two proposed stops between Imperial War Museum and Event City would be 'Village' on Ashburton Road East serving Trafford Park Village and 'Parkway' near Parkway Circle roundabout in Trafford Park.

Though I expect, like the Tube does, there may be crowd management in place restricting access to one or both of these.

Neil