minimum connection time when staying on the same train

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Hello,

An interesting question from a friend, upon which I am not sure of the right answer.

The minimum connection time at BHM (Birmingham New Street) is 12 minutes. Many of the cross country NE-SW trains have station time of less than this (though some do have 12/13 minutes).

My question is, can split advances ignore the published minimum interchange time if they are on the same train?

Of course, as we all know, in the event of serious disruption north of derby, cross country often restart a service at BHM using a spare set, if one is available.... And this could be where the problem lies.
 
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All fine.

I asked the same question last December: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=56659

To be fair, that covers a train that is turned short at stockport (and thus, is part-cancelled), not the specific situation I have mentioned - which is where (example times) the 11:00 from york booked to arrive BHM 13:00 and depart 13:10 is delayed near Sheffield, arrives BHM an hour late, but a second unit leaves BHM on time at 13:10. Tickets are split at BHM.
 

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You only need to allow the minimum suggested connection time if you have to change trains.
 

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You only need to allow the minimum suggested connection time if you have to change trains.

I think the OP is referring to a situation where he/she has split tickets but travelling on the same train - which could feasibly be involved in a unit swap if there is some sort of farce on the network. I think this is the sort of example referred to:

Travelling from Newcastle to Plymouth using two AP tickets, one from Newcastle to Birmingham, and another from Birmingham to Plymouth, both on the same train. The train is delayed due to a signalling fault on the ECML and is 75 minutes late so a decision is made by control to terminate it at Birmingham and run the Birmingham-Plymouth leg on time using the hot spare unit at New Street.
 

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To be fair, that covers a train that is turned short at stockport (and thus, is part-cancelled), not the specific situation I have mentioned - which is where (example times) the 11:00 from york booked to arrive BHM 13:00 and depart 13:10 is delayed near Sheffield, arrives BHM an hour late, but a second unit leaves BHM on time at 13:10. Tickets are split at BHM.
But in this situation either
  • the 1100 train from York continues south of Birmingham and the reservation for the 1310 from Birmingham remains valid on the train, even if a relief train actually left Birmingham at 1310, or
  • the 1100 from York is cancelled at Birmingham and the circumstances in the thread linked by calc7 apply.
 

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There is no need to allow time to make a connection if you are not making one! So there's no need to worry about that!

If a train gets cancelled part way through the journey then you will, of course, be conveyed on later trains.

There's no issue here!
 

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Thanks folks, will advise them to buy the cheap tickets for the same train. If anyone can find link that backs this up, I'd appreciate it :)
 

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I think the OP is referring to a situation where he/she has split tickets but travelling on the same train - which could feasibly be involved in a unit swap if there is some sort of farce on the network....

I know exactly what the op was saying. Read what the op wrote, and I posted, again with particular notice of:

My question is, can split advances ignore the published minimum interchange time if they are on the same train?
 
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