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MML Electrification: progress updates

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My typo: should be SFC = static frequency converter, the latest way to obtain 25kV for traction.

I understand (from these columns) that enquiries have been made about the supply point. Can't quote the post number offhand.

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It's been mentioned several times, with possibly the first being by Bald Rick in #4828 (7 Jan 2022):

AIUI, the application for a connection to the National Grid for Kegworth has been made.

But does that count as a sufficiently firm order for the purposes of your remarks? Has National Grid been sitting on it for 2.5 years without responding?

Is there a chicken and egg problem, where Network Rail can't place an order until the DfT/Treasury funds the electrification, whilst, as you said in #7347,

Until there is a NG offer with price and completion date for the Grid Supply Point from the Ratcliffe sub station, no Govt/NR approval can take place, as there is no firm completion date and therefore proposed installation program.
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In Scotland the feeder station orders were placed first, then the electrifications that will use some of them were hit by cashflow problems.
 
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This, or something very nearby, was also to be a HS2 supply point so I imagine they would have done some work on what was needed. Being the site of the (soon to be former) Ratcliffe power station, multiple pylon lines converge in this area so there shouldn't be issues with supply diversity or phase balance.
 

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The point about grid supply is that it is likely to be the longest lead item and so part/all of the critical path. The knitting is of course useless without it.

HS2 would have complicated the design - is it included or should passive provision (at a cost) be made or should it be ignored at possible great expense subsequently?

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But does that count as a sufficiently firm order for the purposes of your remarks? Has National Grid been sitting on it for 2.5 years without responding?
It books your place in the connections queue. Network operators like National Grid are required to be completely impartial about providing connections, so each project must wait its turn.

Normally, the customer (Network Rail) specifies what they want (i.e. voltage, power, security of supply requirements etc.) and then the network operator (NGET in this case) come back with the connection offer (cost & timescale).

As I understand it, Network Rail specify a 25 kV single phase point of connection. This means National Grid are responsible for the design and construction of all aspects of the 400/25 kV substation.

Once a customer accepts the offer and pays the connection fee, then the network operator will design, plan and build the connection point.
If the customer does not accept the offer within the time limit, then the offer lapses, the customer loses their place in the queue, and would need to reapply (and rejoin at the back of the queue).

The point about grid supply is that it is likely to be the longest lead item and so part/all of the critical path

I find it a bit difficult to believe that NR was merrily rebuilding road bridges in the area in 2015 without having thought about the grid connection, so expect that a connection was originally sought in 2011/12-ish when it became clear that the project was likely to be authorised.

However, with the pause in 2015, and subsequent delays, NR may have repeatedly deferred their "go live" date (which would explain why nothing has been built).
Deferral would have kept the Programme's place in the connection queue.

Alternatively, after 2017 (Grayling), the connection request may have been withdrawn or allowed to lapse. In this case MMLE would need to reapply join the back of the connection queue. This new application would presumably have been around 2021 when the IRP re-committed the programme.

HS2 would have complicated the design
Although if HS2 Ltd were a separate applicant for the original HS2 2b via Toton, it would really be National Grid's problem to solve.
Post-IRP, there may have been a lot of abortive cost to redesign for Phase 2b joining the MML at more or less the expected location of the substation.
 

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This is the same issue that is causing problems for adding new renewables to the network, only on the demand rather than the supply side. Some schemes with little chance of going ahead were "squatting" on their connection agreements and making it slower and perhaps also more difficult for those with better prospects. I believe the previous government was intending to change the rules on this and it ought to be a priority for Labour too.
 

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This is the same issue that is causing problems for adding new renewables to the network, only on the demand rather than the supply side. Some schemes with little chance of going ahead were "squatting" on their connection agreements and making it slower and perhaps also more difficult for those with better prospects. I believe the previous government was intending to change the rules on this and it ought to be a priority for Labour too.
I'll keep this short to avoid further drift, but exactly. I suggest searching for "Connections Action Plan" to explore things (noting that anything public pre-dates the general election), but it's hard to see how stopping this would help the incoming government deliver its policy objectives around infrastructure and Net Zero.
 

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I did glimpse an unusual single coach "pacer like" train going through Market Harborough the other day. Could that have been doing some OHLE inspection or driver training?
 

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I did glimpse an unusual single coach "pacer like" train going through Market Harborough the other day. Could that have been doing some OHLE inspection or driver training?
Nah, it'll be one of the Class 153 Video Inspection Units pottering about filming the track or transiting to somewhere to do it.
 

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Hello everyone,

I was wondering of anyone knew what locos/ stock is to be used on the MML testing. I know that 43301/3 are being used. I was also wondering when testing is going to start.

Thanks,

Caleb
 

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I did glimpse an unusual single coach "pacer like" train going through Market Harborough the other day. Could that have been doing some OHLE inspection or driver training?
Passing Test Unit MOD.jpg
Was it something like this you saw? The one above passed us at St Albans in mid-February this year.
 

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Yes, route familiarisation with Colas Rail HST Class 43 Powercars back to back. Did three return runs today, should be back out on Friday. Seen here passing Desborough returning North:
Got a photo of this working myself on the last 2 days did wonder if that was what it was about.
 

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I spotted this Network Rail safety poster at the entrance to South Wigston station.

I don’t think it’s relevant for the area around the station itself (yet!) but more to warn people of the dangers of electrification if messed around with.

A Network Rail safety poster at South Wigston station displaying the dangers of electrification, if played around with. Also, showing the switch-on date of the electrification, due to go live on Sunday the 28th of July 2024.
 

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Hello everyone,

I was wondering of anyone knew what locos/ stock is to be used on the MML testing. I know that 43301/3 are being used. I was also wondering when testing is going to start.

Thanks,

Caleb
The Mk3s being used are 42097, 44012, 42376 & 45003 with 91117 in the middle.
Testing will commence late summer.
 

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Another "here's what we've done" video update from NR & SPL.


(Chris Morgan-Jones of NR and Helen Butcher / Simon Skinner of SPL speak of their collaboration and what their organisations have achieved. Video filmed in the East Langton substation.)
 
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There’s quite a lot of OLE steelwork laying in a compound between Market Harborough and Kettering.

Not sure how long it’s been there for, but I can’t see any further use for it, within the current electrification boundaries?
 

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Another "here's what we've done" video update from NR & SPL.
On the video, they mention 11 places where they have used special clearances instead of demolishing bridges. Does anyone know where these are, please? And what clearances were achieved?
 

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There’s quite a lot of OLE steelwork laying in a compound between Market Harborough and Kettering.

Not sure how long it’s been there for, but I can’t see any further use for it, within the current electrification boundaries?
Good lord I hope they don’t send it for scrap. I hope they can use it elsewhere on the MML scheme.
 

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Also a lot of OLE steelwork at the compound in Wymington next to the Goods / slow line.
 

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Another "here's what we've done" video update from NR & SPL.

Those buildings are big improvement to the VCB flimsy ones we installed in the 1980's
 

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The ‘tin ones aren’t packed with Asbestos however as above the 1960s Brick built TSCs on the WCML certainly have Asbestos ceiling tiles
Having worked for one of the major companies that produced Asbestos ceiling tiles, I understand that they are perfectly safe provided they are not cut or broken (releasing the fibres). Many shops (including Marks and Spencer) have, or at least had, these tiles as part of suspended ceilings.

Incidentally, the company was Cape Universal and the factory was in Watford right where the National Lottery data centre is now...

The old Watford Junction to Rickmansworth LNWR line ran behind the factory - a rare example of an electrified line that was closed.
 

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Network Rail has issued press release confirming section to South Wigston will be live from Sunday 28th July


BBC are reporting it


The next stretch of the project will be between Syston in Leicestershire and Trent Junction, north of East Midlands Parkway station.

Ms Webb said Network Rail will go back at a later date and make upgrades on the line between South Wigston and Syston, which includes the area around Leicester station.
 

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