Perhaps anyone on the 'fury' side of this question should just ask themselves - have I ever crossed a Pelican crossing when the red man was showing?
All I see in the thread are increasingly silly ways to defend the behaviour of trespassers.
Perhaps anyone on the 'fury' side of this question should just ask themselves - have I ever crossed a Pelican crossing when the red man was showing?
Jaywalking isn't illegal in the UK whereas tresspassing on the railway is?Perhaps anyone on the 'fury' side of this question should just ask themselves - have I ever crossed a Pelican crossing when the red man was showing?
In Switzerland earlier this year our train had been stopped by points failure and it was very hot. The train manager said to us if you want to go out and wonder around you can, and so many of us, myself included decided to get out, take a few pics and stretch them legs as it was bloody hot in the carriage where the air con had failed. Another train heading the same direction pulled up beside us as we were in a loop but at no time did the TM have to lecture us on what we should be doing. I don`t think it could ever be the same in the UK.There’s plenty of videos online from the Swiss railway network. Low level narrow platforms with high speed heavy rail. The shots from platform level with the train mechanicals exposed near the pax do make me cringe, although I assume there’s no problems...
I do remember until the 90s people used to access Wigan Wallgate from the King Street gate, walking accross the track onto the end of platforms
My point about Pelican crossings was really intended for the moans about people standing on the wrong side of the platform's yellow line...Jaywalking isn't illegal in the UK whereas tresspassing on the railway is?
Jaywalking isn't illegal in the UK whereas tresspassing on the railway is?
So are there any safety reasons why platform ends can't be fenced off? If nothing else, it would provide a clear visual signal as to which areas are public and which are not.
In Switzerland earlier this year our train had been stopped by points failure and it was very hot. The train manager said to us if you want to go out and wonder around you can, and so many of us, myself included decided to get out, take a few pics and stretch them legs as it was bloody hot in the carriage where the air con had failed. Another train heading the same direction pulled up beside us as we were in a loop but at no time did the TM have to lecture us on what we should be doing. I don`t think it could ever be the same in the UK.
Swiss culture is one of self-responsibility, and if you do something stupid and get hurt it's your own fault. Accordingly, SBB is *not* safety driven in the way the UK railway is.
I think he is, Ive been caught up in fatalities in France and it certainly stopped the job.When this summer a man was killed by train on MML and the line was blocked for a long time, l told this to my friend who is a manager at SNCF and he replayed me: Blocked the line just a person who was hit by a train? In France our train often hit someone and found body along the line but this is no big deal. I don't think he is just joking.
I think he is, Ive been caught up in fatalities in France and it certainly stopped the job.
Any reason why we haven't seen a more general rollout then? They seem to be the sort of thing that would be easy to install, is this not the case or are they not appropriate for all stations?They are at quite a number of stations now, while new build stations/platforms don't have a ramp at all.
A sign saying “passengers must not pass this point” (or whatever the wording) is not sufficient ?So are there any safety reasons why platform ends can't be fenced off? If nothing else, it would provide a clear visual signal as to which areas are public and which are not.
Totally agree. That was exactly the impression I had over there. A railway with a common sense approach. Not that I disagree with the way rail safety is handled in the UK as our railways are a different animal in many ways.Swiss culture is one of self-responsibility, and if you do something stupid and get hurt it's your own fault. Accordingly, SBB is *not* safety driven in the way the UK railway is.
Those platform-end fences seem pointless to me - they don't go right to the edge of the platform so I imagine it's easy to get by them, despite the wibbly-wobbly stuff they put on the ground there. They're generally overly thick and heavy galvanised metal, a waste of resources and ugly to boot.Any reason why we haven't seen a more general rollout then? They seem to be the sort of thing that would be easy to install, is this not the case or are they not appropriate for all stations?
Totally agree. That was exactly the impression I had over there. A railway with a common sense approach. Not that I disagree with the way rail safety is handled in the UK as our railways are a different animal in many ways.
Looks like blowback to me.
Looks like it to me too
Aaah.... where would the internet be without all the amateur Sherlocks who only see things via a remote computer screen, yet convince themselves that they know better than anyone who was on the locomotive at the time?I have viewed the footage several times and tried to see it as simply "reflections", maybe if it was dark? But, I can't see that as anything but blowback, which is a pretty serious issue.
Yet every time I go to Silverdale station I have to walk ACROSS THE TRACK to get to the Lancaster-bound platform. For all the talk in this forum about the irresponsibility of venturing on the tracks, or even near the edge of a platform, and the supposed high priority given to rail safety, as long as this situation exists, and doubtless hundreds like it, I don't believe a word of it. Basically if what you all (or most of you) say is true, my safety is being imperilled because Network Rail can't be bothered paying for a footbridge. I can use my common sense and visual awareness when it suits the rail network and they are not prepared to fund safety.
All I see in the thread are increasingly silly ways to defend the behaviour of trespassers.
Any reason why we haven't seen a more general rollout then? They seem to be the sort of thing that would be easy to install, is this not the case or are they not appropriate for all stations?
Yet every time I go to Silverdale station I have to walk ACROSS THE TRACK to get to the Lancaster-bound platform. For all the talk in this forum about the irresponsibility of venturing on the tracks, or even near the edge of a platform, and the supposed high priority given to rail safety, as long as this situation exists, and doubtless hundreds like it, I don't believe a word of it. Basically if what you all (or most of you) say is true, my safety is being imperilled because Network Rail can't be bothered paying for a footbridge. I can use my common sense and visual awareness when it suits the rail network and they are not prepared to fund safety.
Yet every time I go to Silverdale station I have to walk ACROSS THE TRACK to get to the Lancaster-bound platform. For all the talk in this forum about the irresponsibility of venturing on the tracks, or even near the edge of a platform, and the supposed high priority given to rail safety, as long as this situation exists, and doubtless hundreds like it, I don't believe a word of it. Basically if what you all (or most of you) say is true, my safety is being imperilled because Network Rail can't be bothered paying for a footbridge. I can use my common sense and visual awareness when it suits the rail network and they are not prepared to fund safety.
In my view a few of the idiots should be sent down for a couple of weeks. A salutory lesson to the kettle fans and other rail obsessives.Well they probably will get away with it won't they? I imagine there are better ways to spend one's time than trawling CCTV and YouTube trying to identify some idiot who's wandered a few feet past a 'must not pass this point' sign to take a nice photograph.
There's a lot of sound and fury in this thread, but all I see is a few people taking pretty minimal risks with their own safety, and I find it difficult to get exercised by that.
Someone dashing across a busy road is probably at massively greater personal risk than someone who's standing on the wrong side of the yellow line on a platform, but I don't stand at my local accident blackspot berating anyone crossing without due care and attention, yelling "Think of your families! And of the trauma you'll cause the emergency services!"
Perhaps anyone on the 'fury' side of this question should just ask themselves - have I ever crossed a Pelican crossing when the red man was showing?
Thanks for teaching me a new word, although you spelt it incorrectly apparently (tumescent). The videos I have seen of these characters almost becoming splattered makes me think that your description is probably correct. They are an embarrassment to all of us who reckon ourselves to be enthusiasts. There have been, sadly, a few make their appearance on this thread.You didn’t wander on down to the sleeper ends, and gaze at a steam engine whilst slowly becoming tumncescent
Any reason why we haven't seen a more general rollout then? They seem to be the sort of thing that would be easy to install, is this not the case or are they not appropriate for all stations?
In Switzerland earlier this year our train had been stopped by points failure and it was very hot. The train manager said to us if you want to go out and wonder around you can, and so many of us, myself included decided to get out, take a few pics and stretch them legs as it was bloody hot in the carriage where the air con had failed. Another train heading the same direction pulled up beside us as we were in a loop but at no time did the TM have to lecture us on what we should be doing. I don`t think it could ever be the same in the UK.
A sign saying “passengers must not pass this point” (or whatever the wording) is not sufficient ?
(Apart from the fact that the trespassers will argue that they aren’t passengers so the sign doesn’t apply to them)
So you look both ways, listen and maintain awareness of your surroundings and cross whilst spending the minimum amount of time on the tracks.
You could have Duty Staff only beyond this point.