New trains for C2C what to expect?

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  1. 387star

    387star Established Member

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    C2C is getting new trains but I forget when a while to go perhaps

    I was wondering what type they will be and presumably they will not have gangway connections like the present 357s which are also going for refurbishment soon?

    I imagine a new colour scheme to replace the green and purple interior
     
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    These are the only Electrostars to have been built without cab gangways; though should the need arise, Bombardier would be able to convert them.

    Unless they receive cascaded Electrostars to maintain a common/compatible fleet (with new build going to the 'donor' instead) they'll have a choice from the NXEMUs - Aventra, Desiro City or AT200.
     
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    Umm the Class 357 fleet that C2C use DON'T have gangway connections between the units as they are basically a Turbostar but AC powered.

    Could be either a Class 700 series family or Class 345 series family, doubt it be anything else.
     
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    That's what was said in the OP, interpretation of the sentence is rather loose though, I'll agree.

    See my posting above.
     
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    Do c2c really need any stock? Whenever I've travelled with them their trains were completely empty, bit of a waste if you ask me.
     
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    And that IS what OP said ;)
     
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    I was told at a passenger panel meeting that they're currently looking at offerings from Hitachi, Siemens and Bombardier. So basically could be anything. I think the extra stock is more about peak services. Although I've been on weekend trains that have been packed and standing room only.

    The new franchise pays a premium to DFT, so I think they're being allowed to do what they want with rolling stock.
     
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    Simon11 Member Jobs & Careers Assistant

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    This is a 15 year franchise and National Express in their bid had to show how they will accommodate growth in the next 15 years. In the franchise requirements, all peak time passengers aren't allow to stand for more than 20 minutes and all passengers during off peak must have a seat. These were the drivers in taking the decision to obtain new stock.
     
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    There's also the new housing at Barking Riverside (permission for 10,800 homes) which will generate additional passengers to and from Barking.
     
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    Leaving aside the proposal for an Overground extension to Barking Riverside, does the new franchise put forward any additional service to existing stations relating to the development?
     
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    Also I believe c2c is very peaky in terms of loading. By which I mean morning peak into London is rammed and evening peak out of London is rammed but otherwise services are on the whole very quiet.
     
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    Er the only ones apart from the 36 Class 376 units
     
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    And the Class 378 Capitalstar, they only have emergency egress doors in common with LU stock.

    Forget I said that!
     
  15. Bletchleyite

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    Eh? They are 20m Electrostars, same as any other Electrostars.

    In any case gangwayed Turbostar derivatives are possible - Class 172.
     
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    Another top quality part of the bid then when the entire bid timetable is built around MORE standees for more than 20 minutes as shown for the likes of Ockendon and Rainham in the projected loading charts and taking seats out of units to cater for the Barking-West Ham additional passengers.

    http://www.c2c-online.co.uk/travel-information/timetables/summary-of-proposed-timetables/
     
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    I'm not thrilled with the new timetable either. All it's going to do is draw in even more District Line passengers between Barking & West Ham/Fenchurch Street.

    At least with the new trains more peak services can be 12 carriages. Although I don't think there will be enough to make all peak services 12 carriages.
     
  18. W-on-Sea

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    Ha, I commuted with them (Westcliff to London) for four years - and I would say: yes, of course it is a commuting-based franchise, BUT Saturday daytime trains (either because of West Ham football, Lakeside or Stratford Westfield shoppers, or Southend tourists) can get very crowded; and late night services out of London were often standing-room only as far as Upminster. (in part this could have been alleviated by running some 4-carriage trains as 8-carriage ones).

    "Very quiet"? The very last train of a Saturday night from London (0040) could be - but otherwise, there is plenty of use!

    One of the points about the current arrangements is that all but three of the company's 74 units are in use during the peak hour - there is very little leeway for improvements without more trains, even if the quantity in use at the peaks is vastly greater than at any other time!
     
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    You get overcrowding on any route where there is a football or rugby ground or conference centre on the route that is being used for an event.

    I have been quite often on trains home from Waterloo that have been packed with people standing all the way to Twickenham when there has been a game, concert or something going on.

    There is times in the past that I have been on cross city trains ind the midlands which have been packed right up to a station called Aston!!.
     
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