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Oh right makes sense i thought the 360/1 fleet had 37 units but clearly not
360/1 fleet is 21x 4 car
360/2 fleet is 5x 5 car
Oh right makes sense i thought the 360/1 fleet had 37 units but clearly not
Must have been mistaken for 350/2360/1 fleet is 21x 4 car
360/2 fleet is 5x 5 car
Would obviously be all 21 units from Greater Anglia. They need 18 units during the peak so having 3 spares makes sense. The ROSCO would probably give a better value for money price for hiring the entire fleet rather than just 90% of the fleet or something like that.
The 360/1 fleet is pretty much an ideal size - it's a no-brainer, assuming them only (currently) being 100mph units doesn't cause any problems.
Running in 12 car formation remember... 6 diagrams would be needed in the circuit I reckon, and that’s with fairly quick turn rounds.21 units for 2tph corby to london?
When will the Bombardier, bi-mode monocoque be released?
I'm sure it says 12 in the peak only. Suggestions elsewhere they will live at Bedford cauldwell depot with outberthing at kettering.Running in 12 car formation remember... 6 diagrams would be needed in the circuit I reckon, and that’s with fairly quick turn rounds.
But even then, the peak capacity requirement nowadays lasts for about 3 hours. The aim AIUI from earlier discussions is that these will also be expected to provide the main capacity at all MML calling points between Kettering and London.I'm sure it says 12 in the peak only. Suggestions elsewhere they will live at Bedford cauldwell depot with outberthing at kettering.
That's certainly the plan. I wouldn't expect them to be shortening trains at the end of the morning peak and strengthening them in the afternoon at St Pancras or Bedford, as both are probably too busy to take extra empty stock moves. Most likely they'll do this at Kettering or Corby, making use of the stabling sidings now under construction at Kettering.But even then, the peak capacity requirement nowadays lasts for about 3 hours. The aim AIUI from earlier discussions is that these will also be expected to provide the main capacity at all MML calling points between Kettering and London.
I agree in the never sentiment. We have enough Bombardier nonsense that barely works and is running late, damaging the reputation of the Rail industry. Even when they do enter service they're unreliable, uncomfortable and of a poor quality.Hopefully never. Hitachi is the way forward.
I agree in the never sentiment. We have enough Bombardier nonsense that barely works and is running late, damaging the reputation of the Rail industry. Even when they do enter service they're unreliable, uncomfortable and of a poor quality.
Unlike the Hitachi stuff that isn’t of great build quality, too often has to run on diesel rather than electric power, are chronically uncomfortable and ride like a drunk staggering home from the pub.I agree in the never sentiment. We have enough Bombardier nonsense that barely works and is running late, damaging the reputation of the Rail industry. Even when they do enter service they're unreliable, uncomfortable and of a poor quality.
I am personally a Siemens man myself, their trains consistently scream quality and barely seem to age. Those class 360s they're inheriting still feel and generally perform like they're brand new. All they need is a good refurbishment on the inside to bring them up ready for Corby work. But genuinely wouldn't believe they're 16 years old!Unlike the Hitachi stuff that isn’t of great build quality, too often has to run on diesel rather than electric power, are chronically uncomfortable and ride like a drunk staggering home from the pub.
I’m not seeing how (s)Hitachi are any better.
I am personally a Siemens man myself, their trains consistently scream quality and barely seem to age. Those class 360s they're inheriting still feel and generally perform like they're brand new. All they need is a good refurbishment on the inside to bring them up ready for Corby work. But genuinely wouldn't believe they're 16 years old!
They have this https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/siemens-announces-the-desiro-verve.115735/Agreed. But you have to pay for quality. What do Siemens have in the way of a 125mph offering?
I am personally a Siemens man myself, their trains consistently scream quality and barely seem to age. Those class 360s they're inheriting still feel and generally perform like they're brand new. All they need is a good refurbishment on the inside to bring them up ready for Corby work. But genuinely wouldn't believe they're 16 years old!
I am personally a Siemens man myself, their trains consistently scream quality and barely seem to age. Those class 360s they're inheriting still feel and generally perform like they're brand new. All they need is a good refurbishment on the inside to bring them up ready for Corby work. But genuinely wouldn't believe they're 16 years old!
I am personally a Siemens man myself, their trains consistently scream quality and barely seem to age. Those class 360s they're inheriting still feel and generally perform like they're brand new. All they need is a good refurbishment on the inside to bring them up ready for Corby work. But genuinely wouldn't believe they're 16 years old!
Really? They don’t look or feel brand new at all. They would need a lot of work to get them to factory fresh status. They are definitely showing the amount of mileage they have done and the stop/start stop/start work they do. I genuinely don’t believe trains will last 30 odd years in future.
The oldest desiro unit type out there, its a shame siemens dont make them anymore. It will be nice to see EMR desiros in st pancras
1 issue with siemens is the price they charge though but same time better quality than bombardier could ever have
The fact Greater Anglia have fitted dimmer more yellow internal lights to them all than First Great Eastern doesn't help them and neither does the recent poor maintenance of the air-conditioning systems. The colour scheme of a mix of green poles, purple carpets and black seats and some black carpet is also awful now, a real podge job of the original but that is nothing a proper refurbishment couldn't sort out.
They are 16 years old but the panels are still properly locked down and don't suffer from vibration (Bombardier can only wish for that!) they give a good ride, the passenger information system works well, they perform very well and fast and in general the bodywork is standing up very well, the seats are hardwearing, and I've never seen a problem with the doors, even if they are a little slow by today's standards.
I'd challenge you to find any other train that has lasted 16 years without any kind of refurbishment that is in as good nick. The only think they've had done to them since new is new seat covers and replacement carpet in the door area and some changes in First Class, they have never and will never can be repainted externally easily, which is a big factor in East Midlands choosing purple I'm told
The fact Greater Anglia have fitted dimmer more yellow internal lights to them all than First Great Eastern doesn't help them and neither does the recent poor maintenance of the air-conditioning systems. The colour scheme of a mix of green poles, purple carpets and black seats and some black carpet is also awful now, a real podge job of the original but that is nothing a proper refurbishment couldn't sort out.
They are 16 years old but the panels are still properly locked down and don't suffer from vibration (Bombardier can only wish for that!) they give a good ride, the passenger information system works well, they perform very well and fast and in general the bodywork is standing up very well, the seats are hardwearing, and I've never seen a problem with the doors, even if they are a little slow by today's standards.
I'd challenge you to find any other train that has lasted 16 years without any kind of refurbishment that is in as good nick. The only think they've had done to them since new is new seat covers and replacement carpet in the door area and some changes in First Class, they have never and will never can be repainted externally easily, which is a big factor in East Midlands choosing purple I'm told
I heard it’s the anti-vandal paint so that no one could graffiti them. Although NX proved with 360 115 that you can vinyl them. EMT could vinyl all 21 of them.they have never and will never can be repainted externally easily
Living firmly in South Western Railway land, I do completely agree with you. Despite the slightly lacklustre refurbishment by South Western Railway, the fleet still looks fresh and still feels like the best of all the new EMU fleets built since privatisation. I just wish SWRs choice of plug sockets were different to those installed, but at least they are finally receiving them. Other than that, I've rarely come across any door issues with the fleet, or any build quality issues for that matter either. Only the seat covers have showed some signs of wear and tear - which is easily replaced. Personally I feel sorry for Siemens, as the Desiro City doesn't seem to have picked up were the "Classic" Desiro left off, allowing Bombardier and Hitachi a foot in the door.
It almost feels odd taking about the Desiro "Classic" fleet and mentioning their age - They've stood up well compared to their electrostar brethren, with little refurbishment or interior changes since their introduction to First Great Eastern all those years ago. Despite their age, with a good thorough refurbishment, I reckon these 360s will serve the MML for many more years to come.
Didnt stagecoach paint their desiro units, if so they manage with the exterior pretty well then?The big question is if EMR is gonna have a vinyl or paint livery? Since abellio other counter parts seem to be a mix both??
It’s a big shame the 360s have been fitted with inferior lighting and cheap air con fixes because they are premium units.Handlebars and panels need re-spraying, with new carpets and better air con and lighting and they’re as new. Once had an out of order door a few months ago on a busy 4 car late afternoon service but besides that they never fail. Desiros are far superior to anything else.
Living firmly in South Western Railway land, I do completely agree with you. Despite the slightly lacklustre refurbishment by South Western Railway, the fleet still looks fresh and still feels like the best of all the new EMU fleets built since privatisation. I just wish SWRs choice of plug sockets were different to those installed, but at least they are finally receiving them. Other than that, I've rarely come across any door issues with the fleet, or any build quality issues for that matter either. Only the seat covers have showed some signs of wear and tear - which is easily replaced. Personally I feel sorry for Siemens, as the Desiro City doesn't seem to have picked up were the "Classic" Desiro left off, allowing Bombardier and Hitachi a foot in the door.
It almost feels odd taking about the Desiro "Classic" fleet and mentioning their age - They've stood up well compared to their electrostar brethren, with little refurbishment or interior changes since their introduction to First Great Eastern all those years ago. Despite their age, with a good thorough refurbishment, I reckon these 360s will serve the MML for many more years to come.
There are lot and lots of issues that are cropping up now that will need to be sorted if they are to be worked hard for another decade.