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oh I've just seen that, wow very sucky!It sucks really well presumably, if that image is anything to go by.
oh I've just seen that, wow very sucky!It sucks really well presumably, if that image is anything to go by.
Just had a chat with a Lime Street guard.
He says give me a Pacer any day.
There is too much that can go wrong on the 195s. The thing is run by computer he says,and computers can go wrong.
He went on to say,Pacers always get bad press but I have worked on them for many years with very little fault.
Although the 195s look smart he admitted.
They are besieged with niggles as they have been rushed into service!!!!
Not my words lol.
But I chuckled at his last statement
The reality is passengers will compare them to what went before.Genuine question, but have you been on the "white" 170s yet? (I know that these are generally east of the Pennines though)
My benchmark for the 195s is how they'd compare to a common-or-garden post-privatisation DMU (170/171/172/175/185), but I suspect that the benchmark for a lot of passengers will be against the trains they directly replace in the short term (e.g. 158s). If you're used to narrow doors at the ends of trains for your daily commute then a 195 will be transformational, of course, so they'll probably be popular for the average passenger in the short term.
I took a ride on a 195 today from Manchester Pic to Barrow and whilst I am sure no one is particularly interested in my thoughts on these trains I do have one question to ask. What exactly is the big deal with these trains???? I really can’t see what everyone else is raving about.
what do you mean by mean...?
Yes, no smells are going to be lingering for long with that fan in operation. I didn't set out to review the toilet extractor fan; just something I noticed due to its prominence.It sucks really well presumably, if that image is anything to go by.
Small inflatable cushions are sold in the camping/festival sections of high street stores, including The Range.When I made the same comment on here about having a blow up cushion with you for the hard seats it was removed by the forum police as not being relevant to the thread.
having traveled all the way from Oxford Road to Barrow yesterday morning I thought the seats were firm but not hard and didn't suffer from numb bum at the end of the trip so my idea of hard seats must be different to some people on here
Sounds like a rules-based abbreviation method, sacrificing the vowels first, last to first, then either doubled letters or hyphens would be next to go, again last first.It would strike me that "Barrow" and "Wigan" are the sensible abbreviations for these, given that Barrow only has one station that has that in the name (we aren't DB, and so wouldn't do something like "Barrow-in-Furness Dalton" and "Barrow-in-Furness Roose") and there are no trains that serve both Wigan stations.
In a word, yes. I can't quite work out what's gone on, but this morning's 0830 off the Airport to Barrow/Windermere was a 156, as was the 1330 Airport - Barrow/Windermere yesterday. Also the diagram which operates the 0930 off the airport is, according to Journeycheck, short formed.Has a unit fallen over? 07:48 WIL-LIV service was 3 coaches instead of 6 this morning. Thought it might be temporarily deployed elsewhere to cover.
I've traveled on a few units now on Monday afternoon, Tuesday, yesterday, and again today and not seen any abbreviations on the PIS screens or elsewhere. Whatever was causing them on Monday morning must have been resolved already - presumably a software update.Sounds like a rules-based abbreviation method, sacrificing the vowels first, last to first, then either doubled letters or hyphens would be next to go, again last first.
So the 08:16 Liverpool - MIA service used to be a 4car 156. It's now a 3-car 195 and is currently full with people standing down the aisles of all 3 coaches. This is a reduction from 280 seats to 204 sets. The additional 76 people having to stand might not be too impressed with the new trains, although they do get to stand in air conditioned units now!
I'm not sure why that statement made you chuckle. It is obviously true. The number of units with door faults makes it pretty plain that these units entered service on 1st July because Northern needed them for the additional Manchester Airport - Barrow services starting that day. Not because they were ready to enter service.They are besieged with niggles as they have been rushed into service!!!!
Not my words lol.
But I chuckled at his last statement
It's getting a little confusing as to feedback on the trains versus comments on the diagrams - could the moderators move anything related to short-forming/replacements by 156s over to the dedicated thread in the Allocations/Diagrams/Timetables section?
Because of how badly delayed their initial entry into service has been compared to what was originally promised, I presume.I'm not sure why that statement made you chuckle.
The number of units with door faults makes it pretty plain that these units entered service on 1st July because Northern needed them for the additional Manchester Airport - Barrow services starting that day. Not because they were ready to enter service.
Think more along the lines of 'targets' being the reason they were pushed for Monday.I'm not sure why that statement made you chuckle. It is obviously true. The number of units with door faults makes it pretty plain that these units entered service on 1st July because Northern needed them for the additional Manchester Airport - Barrow services starting that day. Not because they were ready to enter service.
If you knew how unreliable the software was on these trains, and some of it governing safety critical systems, you wouldn't be saying that as though it was a good thing. The hardware hasn't been much better either.I wonder if said guard realises how much of our lives are run by computers these days? As for being rushed into service, well it may be the case but a glance over at the Pacer Withdrawal thread will explain why there is a growing urgency to get them into service, because use of Pacers into 2020 is likely to be a political and legal hot potato.
I'm not sure why that statement made you chuckle. It is obviously true. The number of units with door faults makes it pretty plain that these units entered service on 1st July because Northern needed them for the additional Manchester Airport - Barrow services starting that day. Not because they were ready to enter service.
So the 08:16 Liverpool - MIA service used to be a 4car 156. It's now a 3-car 195 and is currently full with people standing down the aisles of all 3 coaches. This is a reduction from 280 seats to 204 sets. The additional 76 people having to stand might not be too impressed with the new trains, although they do get to stand in air conditioned units now!
The PIS screen says 101 brand new trains across our system. Don't they mean carriages? If it was trains Northern would not be 38 short when 101 Pacers are withdrawn.A few pics of 195s on there introductory day.
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And back home on the norm for CLC stoppers!
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Look what you could have won!! Lol
The PIS screen says 101 brand new trains across our system. Don't they mean carriages? If it was trains Northern would not be 38 short when 101 Pacers are withdrawn.
Thank you for clarifying Andy. I suppose 331s will be replacing some 319s? Yet more surplus electric units. We need more electrification and soon.I believe it will be 58 Class 195s and 43 Class 331s = 101 new trains for Northern.
If you've been on an Airbus airliner, then unless it's an A300 or A310 (both barely in service now), it was a completely fly-by-wire aircraft that has demonstrated that fly-by-wire with software protections are incredibly safe.
Yeah, if I had to nit pick there is a small bin in the bog and a tiny one in the carriage. Replacing double 156's with a three car unit seems a retrograde step. Today the none 195 service from Lime Street to the airport is a 156 and a 150. Admittedly an improvement on the single 142 on an airport service the other week. Someone in charge has to get a grip.Does anyone else think the bins are not very good? Tiny opening, and hard to find! Can barely fit a hot drink cup in them lol.