Xenophon PCDGS
Veteran Member
I wonder, with the DMU in mind, how much finance are Northern saving on unused fuel on these cancelled journeys.
Few train crew shifts allow staff to use the train to get to and from work as they start or finish before/after services run, so train crew will have an alternative means of getting to work. I certainly don't think many drivers or guards rely on the train on a Sunday.Many short term cancellations are probably due to staff being unable to get into work.
This situation is about to improve a fair bit I think.
I wonder, with the DMU in mind, how much finance are Northern saving on unused fuel on these cancelled journeys.
Not sure that's true. Dont they get penalised for cancelled services.The fewer trains Northern runs the more profit it makes, which is why there isn't any great incentive to run a full service.
You can pre-cancel services which afaik reduces or removes the severity of the fine.Not sure that's true. Dont they get penalised for cancelled services.
K
As part of the agreement are West side Sundays counted as rest days paid at rest day working rates?There don't appear to be any planned cancellations for today (Sun), so I presume that is a consequence of the latest 'productivity package' coming into effect.
Won't this be to the detriment of Monday to Saturday services, as last time? There aren't suddenly going to be noticeably more drivers, are there?
Assume you meant east side in your second sentence. No, Sundays on the west side are still outside the working week and not included in rest-day working equalisation totals.As part of the agreement are West side Sundays counted as rest days paid at rest day working rates?
This would be unlike West side where I believe Sundays are part of the working week.
K
Assume you meant east side in your second sentence. No, Sundays on the west side are still outside the working week and not included in rest-day working equalisation totals.
Yes meant east side where Sundays fir drivers are the same as any other day. Original amended. Not sure thats true for guards.Assume you meant east side in your second sentence. No, Sundays on the west side are still outside the working week and not included in rest-day working equalisation totals.
Bearing in mind that the Northern franchise has apparently been making 'unsustainable' losses despite 'cancelling' (or 'un-scheduling' in advance) large numbers of services over a long period (not only on Sundays) can you flesh out the maths, economics and contractual rights/obligations behind your statement please?The fewer trains Northern runs the more profit it makes, which is why there isn't any great incentive to run a full service.
Bearing in mind that the Northern franchise has apparently been making 'unsustainable' losses despite 'cancelling' (or 'un-scheduling' in advance) large numbers of services over a long period (not only on Sundays) can you flesh out the maths, economics and contractual rights/obligations behind your statement please?
Sundays are still outside the working week, there's no question about that.
What have changed are the conditions under which a driver is required to attend work if no cover for their shift is available.
I can see this might be true, but surely it depends on whether the marginal saving from not running a train is greater or less than the associated revenue loss. Given the number of posts on here along the lines of “I’m going back to the car”, the long-term revenue loss from regularly cancelling trains could well be greater than the cost saving, in which case it would not be in Northern’s financial interest to do so.'The fewer trains Northern runs the healthier its balance sheet, which is why there isn't any great incentive to run a full service'.
I can see this might be true, but surely it depends on whether the marginal saving from not running a train is greater or less than the associated revenue loss. Given the number of posts on here along the lines of “I’m going back to the car”, the long-term revenue loss from regularly cancelling trains could well be greater than the cost saving, in which case it would not be in Northern’s financial interest to do so.
You've lost me there a bit, I'm afraid. If Sundays are still outside the working week, and therefore being covered solely by overtime, which is not compulsory, how can there be, relating to drivers, such a thing as 'their' shift?
We can refuse our starred Sundays but have to work our booked Sundays unless it is either side of Annual Leave then we are guaranteed to have it off regardless of whether the turn can be covered or not. Even if we are declined our duty managers are fabulous at getting our shifts covered at any cost. Bless emCan't comment on Northern but
It is compulsory in some TOCs in that you can put yourself unavailable to work your booked Sunday but if it can't be covered by another crew member then you have to come in for it and cover it yourself.
To further muddy the waters you can't put dailyleave in for these days as it's not part of the working week so can't qualify for leave applications!
Because they are pre-rostered. And if there is no cover, as in you can't find anyone to work it for you if you have said you don't want to work it, you are forced to come in for overtime you don't want.You've lost me there a bit, I'm afraid. If Sundays are still outside the working week, and therefore being covered solely by overtime, which is not compulsory, how can there be, relating to drivers, such a thing as 'their' shift?
This situation is about to improve a fair bit I think.
Is the Hope Valley line the most targeted line on the west side on Sundays?No improvement on Hope Valley line this Sunday. Two return services cancelled "This service was cancelled due to an issue with the train crew (TG)."
Is the Hope Valley line the most targeted line on the west side on Sundays?
Is the Hope Valley line the most targeted line on the west side on Sundays?