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Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

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Kingspanner said:
But, again, this is a false dichotomy. You ask us to hypothetically choose between a Pacer and no train - in fact the choice should be between a Pacer and say a 158 or 158 or something new. And then the answer is we'd like a 158 or 158 or something new.
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But if no other train was available what then? Cancel the service or run it with a 142. Imagine if it had been cancelled and it got into the public forum that they could have run it with a pacer but chose not to as they were pulled 2 days ago and some people might be upset that it was a 142.
 
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Kingspanner said:
But, again, this is a false dichotomy. You ask us to hypothetically choose between a Pacer and no train - in fact the choice should be between a Pacer and say a 158 or 158 or something new. And then the answer is we'd like a 158 or 158 or something new.
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Oh for the days when Heaton were short of working Pacers and you got a 37 on a set of Mark 1s!

It makes sense to keep a few 142s in working order 'just in case'.
 
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I fear the anti Pacer brigade would have rid regardless of consequence.
It just seems the stupidity of the railways to withdraw stock when there are still short forms and cancellations.
Best keeping some for back up.
 
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Chris217 said:
I fear the anti Pacer brigade would have rid regardless of consequence.
It just seems the stupidity of the railways to withdraw stock when there are still short forms and cancellations.
Best keeping some for back up.
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Actually that seems to have happened to an extent. There are only 12 Northern 142s running today. Two are on the Bishop Auckland line, the rest are around Manchester. Three of those are running solo on diagrams that should be pairs.
 
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The three 142’s at botanic 21 26 and 60 are definitely still there and were moved on Sunday evening out to the back of the shed as the line on which they were stored is used for other units which are in regular service as space at the depot is limited. Cheers.
 
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That's why it's stupid!
Short formations when they are withdrawing usable stock that can
still be utilised,but they choose to withdraw them and run shorter trains.
 
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Jamesrob637 said:
Should couple Pacers and Sprinters for now
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I definitely agree and I'm sure in private the TOCs do too but the Pacers have now become toxic to passengers, politicians and the press. Even people on here were demanding refunds and discounts for the 'failure' to withdraw Pacers. Unfortunately Politicans influenced by the media have meant that there is no conceivable way the Pacers could not be withdrawn at the earliest possible opportunity.
 
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current planned moves

18th DEC
Worksop reception to Newport docks https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05885/2019-12-18/detailed
Heaton TMD to shildon NRM https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05890/2019-12-18/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-18/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-18/detailed

19th DEC
Worksop reception to Kingsbury EMR https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00151/2019-12-19/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-19/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-19/detailed

20th DEC
Worksop reception to Newport docks https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05885/2019-12-20/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood sidings https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-20/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-20/detailed
 
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For what it's worth, 142078 spent the morning reclining against the stops on Plat 8 at Picc, and 090/?4/62/35 coupled in a siding opposite Longsight.
 
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Chris217 said:
I fear the anti Pacer brigade would have rid regardless of consequence.
It just seems the stupidity of the railways to withdraw stock when there are still short forms and cancellations.
Best keeping some for back up.
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Absolutely. The press and local politicians have been pressing Northern to withdraw the Pacers at the earliest opportunity for some time. The GM Mayor is one of them, yet he advocates more Metrolink extensions, even though the trams ride worse than pacers with bad bogie hunting at speed, few seats and have no toilets.

In the early 1990s, I used to travel around West Yorkshire often. Back then, most of the track in the area was already constant welded. The Class 141s gave an acceptable ride most of the time. In fact they were my favourite Pacers, mainly because all except 141113 retained their SCG gearboxes.
 
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IamTrainsYT said:
current planned moves

18th DEC
Worksop reception to Newport docks https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05885/2019-12-18/detailed
Heaton TMD to shildon NRM https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05890/2019-12-18/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-18/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-18/detailed

19th DEC
Worksop reception to Kingsbury EMR https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00151/2019-12-19/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-19/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-19/detailed

20th DEC
Worksop reception to Newport docks https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05885/2019-12-20/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood sidings https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-20/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-20/detailed
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Guessing the shildon nrm is where one will be preserved or is that just temporary storage?
 
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No it's a large set of sidings formerly used in connection with the mine complex in the Selby area.

I wouldn't describe it as 'warm storage' - except in the sense that they'll soon feel a warm gas axe, of course.

Cold storage prior to movement to whichever scrapper has the contract for that unit.
 
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IamTrainsYT said:
current planned moves

18th DEC
Worksop reception to Newport docks https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05885/2019-12-18/detailed
Heaton TMD to shildon NRM https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05890/2019-12-18/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-18/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-18/detailed

19th DEC
Worksop reception to Kingsbury EMR https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00151/2019-12-19/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-19/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-19/detailed

20th DEC
Worksop reception to Newport docks https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05885/2019-12-20/detailed
Holbeck loco sidings to gascoigne wood sidings https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-20/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop reception https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-20/detailed
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Looks like 001's Heaton to Shildon move is the only one happening today at present, from those quoted above.

Meanwhile, the daily shambolic provision of service for Northern's customers continues...
 
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Merle Haggard said:
For what it's worth, 142078 spent the morning reclining against the stops on Plat 8 at Picc, and 090/?4/62/35 coupled in a siding opposite Longsight.
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It did a trip to Hazel Grove yesterday morning. Today it's on the Chester line I believe.
 
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I've updated the list to include the three being at Transport for Wales being stripped of parts, the two at Gascoigne Wood and the three at Botanic Gardens in Hull.

Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped.
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002
003 - In storage at Barrow
004
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006
007 - In storage at Barrow
008 - Scrapped
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010
011
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013
014
015 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
016 - in storage at Worksop
017 - in storage at Worksop
018
019 - in storage at Worksop
020 - in storage at Worksop
021 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
022 - in storage at Worksop
023
024
025 - in storage at Worksop
026 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
027 - in storage at Worksop
028 - In storage at Barrow
029 - in storage at Worksop
030 - in storage at Worksop
031
032
033 - in storage at Worksop
034 - In storage at Barrow
035
036
037 - in storage at Worksop
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
040 - In storage at Barrow
041
042 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
043
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045
046 - In storage at Barrow
047
048 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
050 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
051
052 - in storage at Worksop
053 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
054
055
056 - In storage at Barrow
057 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
058
059 - Scrapped
060 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
061
062
063
064 - in storage at Worksop
065
066 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
067
068
069
070
071
072
073
074
075
076
077
078
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080
081
082
083
084 - in storage at Worksop
085
086 - was at Landore TMD, now at Canton being stripped of spare parts.
087
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089
090
091 - in storage at Worksop
092
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094
095
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped
614
615 - Scrapped
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill.
001
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications.
013
014
015
016
017
018
019
020
021
022
023
 
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