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Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

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Chris217

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Sad reading all this about Pacer withdrawals.
Looks like Cardiff could be the last haven
for those who enjoy them.
I take it Northern have replaced train for train during their withdrawal.
Pacers do have their own charm though.
 
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Chris217 said:
Sad reading all this about Pacer withdrawals.
Looks like Cardiff could be the last haven
for those who enjoy them.
I take it Northern have replaced train for train during their withdrawal.
Pacers do have their own charm though.
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Although Pacers have two steps, the first one is lower to the platform than on 150s etc and the train-platform gap is narrower. It is a lot less likely that anyone could fall down the gap boarding a Pacer. I have seen it happen twice with 150s at Wigan Wallgate over the years. My 80 year old mother has no trouble boarding Pacers, but finds it daunting boarding 150s and even the new units at certain stations. For example the Leeds facing station at Todmorden, Salford Central and last week alighting a 331 at Garswood. She also finds the PRM automated announcements a real nuisance. I too am not as agile as I used to be, and struggle at times boarding them owing to a previous lower back injury.

I don't think that the speed of Pacer withdrawals is helping anyone. The 195s and 331s have only been in service for a few months and are still a bit of an unknown quantity. There are still problems with the doors closing on passengers. If it turns out to be a cold winter, there could be unexpected teething problems with the units.
 
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Anyone know of a second hand market for pacer engines or are they being scrapped too?
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The Cummins L10 engine was used in most late 1980s built Leyland Olympians and Lynx buses and was an option in the Volvo Olympian until 1993. Maybe the engines from Pacers could be of use to bus preservationists and certain body parts for Leyland National buses.
 
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workings for tomorrow:

Worksop to Kingsbury https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O72492/2019-12-20/detailed
Worksop to Newport https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05885/2019-12-20/detailed
Holbeck to gascoigne wood https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00340/2019-12-20/detailed
Sheffield to Worksop https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N18004/2019-12-20/detailed
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The Sheffield to Worksop hasn't left yet, but to be fair we're still less than half an hour after the scheduled departure time.
 
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The Sheffield to Worksop hasn't left yet, but to be fair we're still less than half an hour after the scheduled departure time.
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If my memory serves me right, it hasn't run at all this week. I'm left wondering if there are any 142s left to take the Sheffield path up or if they're all elsewhere?
 
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ed1971 said:
The Cummins L10 engine was used in most late 1980s built Leyland Olympians and Lynx buses and was an option in the Volvo Olympian until 1993. Maybe the engines from Pacers could be of use to bus preservationists and certain body parts for Leyland National buses.
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Dmu engines are usually the Horizontal version often as used on single deck buses so being less common not as saleable.
Back in the era of all good engines being Gardener on retirement buses so equipped had there engines exported to Hong Kong where they were fitted to junks and presumably ran for ever.
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47418 said:
About time the rubbish was removed from the railway
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If you were referring to Class 150/1s I'd agree, as the claustrophobic nature and noisy engines on these get me very stressed and anxious when travelling on them.
I have read on another thread that following withdrawal of most 142s in the new year, most services on the Atherton line will be cut back to single units. This is a step back to how it was 7 - 10 years ago (except worse as more travel on the trains now), when the old Northern franchise took on extra units to cope. The overcrowding situation helps no one whether they have reduced mobility or not.
 
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Jamesrob637 said:
Should be just 9 after 01/01/20, all of which need to be coupled to a PRM-compliant unit. Question is, which 9?
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I'm guessing it'll be the remaining 14208x and 09x batch (five from one and four from the other) since these seem to be the better units.

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Updated to include 142033 being moved from Worksop to Landore TMD.

Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped.
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002
003 - In storage at Barrow
004
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006
007 - In storage at Barrow
008 - Scrapped
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010
011
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013
014
015 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
016 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
017 - in storage at Worksop
018
019 - in storage at Worksop
020 - in storage at Worksop
021 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
022 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
023
024
025 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
026 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
027 - in storage at Worksop
028 - In storage at Barrow
029 - in storage at Worksop
030 - in storage at Worksop
031 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds.
032
033 - was in storage at Worksop, now at Landore being stripped of spare parts.
034 - In storage at Barrow
035
036
037 - in storage at Worksop
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
040 - In storage at Barrow
041
042 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
043
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045
046 - In storage at Barrow
047
048 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
050 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
051
052 - in storage at Worksop
053 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
054
055
056 - In storage at Barrow
057 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
058
059 - Scrapped
060 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
061
062
063
064 - in storage at Worksop
065
066 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
067
068
069
070
071
072
073
074
075
076
077
078
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080
081
082
083
084 - in storage at Worksop
085
086 - at Canton, stripped of spare parts.
087
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089
090
091 - in storage at Worksop
092 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094
095
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped
614
615 - Scrapped
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill.
001
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications.
013
014
015
016
017
018
019
020
021
022
023
 
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ed1971 said:
If you were referring to Class 150/1s I'd agree, as the claustrophobic nature and noisy engines on these get me very stressed and anxious when travelling on them.
I have read on another thread that following withdrawal of most 142s in the new year, most services on the Atherton line will be cut back to single units. This is a step back to how it was 7 - 10 years ago (except worse as more travel on the trains now), when the old Northern franchise took on extra units to cope. The overcrowding situation helps no one whether they have reduced mobility or not.
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The 142s really need to be kept on (preferably coupled to a PRM compliant unit) until sufficient capacity is available. I was disappointed to find there's been a reduction in capacity with the new timetable, and I agree no one benefits from overcrowded services
 
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ed1971 said:
If you were referring to Class 150/1s I'd agree, as the claustrophobic nature and noisy engines on these get me very stressed and anxious when travelling on them.
I have read on another thread that following withdrawal of most 142s in the new year, most services on the Atherton line will be cut back to single units. This is a step back to how it was 7 - 10 years ago (except worse as more travel on the trains now), when the old Northern franchise took on extra units to cope. The overcrowding situation helps no one whether they have reduced mobility or not.
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Totally agree, always hope for a 142 or 156 when getting the train
 
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IamTrainsYT said:
142012/142033/142079 stored at Landore TMD

142086 being stripped for parts at Cardiff canton
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the three ex-Northern 142s that went to Wales on the 15/12/19 for use by TfW for spare parts were 142086, 142012 and 142079. This is the first I've heard of 142033; I'm guessing it moved some day after...?
 
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northernchris said:
The 142s really need to be kept on (preferably coupled to a PRM compliant unit) until sufficient capacity is available. I was disappointed to find there's been a reduction in capacity with the new timetable, and I agree no one benefits from overcrowded services
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Exactly, then the train has 4 cars also, which is a good look.
 
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