Old Oak Common Station construction

[matt_world2004]

I thought the plan for old oak common station was to to use what is currently the Elizabeth line engineering connection to provide two extra tracks to the station.

There will be at least six tracks from old oak common station all the way to Paddington mainline/Crossrail.

 

[swt_passenger]

I thought the plan for old oak common station was to to use what is currently the Elizabeth line engineering connection to provide two extra tracks to the station.

There will be at least six tracks from old oak common station all the way to Paddington mainline/Crossrail.

I don’t believe there are, the lines through the GWML station reduce from 8 to 4, then back up to 6 only further towards Paddington. People have suggested in the past that there ought to be 6, but there’s never been any drawings made public showing that.

 

[Horizon22]

There's no shortage of credible rail plans for it. It's just that it's not the priority at the moment. If they started developing out the rail plans, the costs would just end up going on HS2's tab, and we really don't need more expense on that.

I'm sure there's plan's just nothing as a preferred option going forward.

 

[matt_world2004]

I don’t believe there are, the lines through the GWML station reduce from 8 to 4, then back up to 6 only further towards Paddington. People have suggested in the past that there ought to be 6, but there’s never been any drawings made public showing that.

Carto metro shows it increasing from five to 6 lines as the crossrail depot line joins up with the GWML and it doesn't appear to drop below six at any point from that point onwards.

 

[swt_passenger]

Carto metro shows it increasing from five to 6 lines as the crossrail depot line joins up with the GWML and it doesn't appear to drop below six at any point from that point onwards.

Sure, but west of there (eg under the heading Kensal Green Junction) there are only 4 running lines. There’s no evidence that changes.

 

[matt_world2004]

Sure, but west of there (eg under the heading Kensal Green Junction) there are only 4 running lines. There’s no evidence that changes.

there will be 8 platforms on the GWML lines according to wiki that's more than enough to allow 12 tph crossrail to terminate there. Given how small the gap is between when Crossrail joins the GWML running lines and the station I can near enough guarantee there will be 6-8 lines there

 

[swt_passenger]

there will be 8 platforms on the GWML lines according to wiki that's more than enough to allow 12 tph crossrail to terminate there. Given how small the gap is between when Crossrail joins the GWML running lines and the station I can near enough guarantee there will be 6-8 lines there

Well 8 platform lines are consistently shown in all the drawings linked in this thread, that hasn't ever been in question.

 

[Horizon22]

It will probably be built in the same style as London Bridge; there are two lines immediately west of the station towards Charing Cross, yet 4 accessible platforms. So 4 lines will for a short time expand to 8 platforms and back down again. Ladbroke Grove is where the proper 6 lines comes into existence on the approach to Paddington. There are reception and carriage lines which may be adapted as the slewing takes place.

 

[SynthD]

It will probably be built in the same style as London Bridge; there are two lines immediately west of the station towards Charing Cross, yet 4 accessible platforms. So 4 lines will for a short time expand to 8 platforms and back down again. Ladbroke Grove is where the proper 6 lines comes into existence on the approach to Paddington. There are reception and carriage lines which may be adapted as the slewing takes place.

Yes, each direction of Main (GWR) and Relief (Liz) gets two faces of a platform each.

 

[Class 170101]

There's no shortage of credible rail plans for it. It's just that it's not the priority at the moment. If they started developing out the rail plans, the costs would just end up going on HS2's tab, and we really don't need more expense on that.

Why do people keep saying this? The money for links can only come from either private sector or the public sector - the latter has only one pot of money - the taxpayer.

 

[Ianno87]

Why do people keep saying this? The money for links can only come from either private sector or the public sector - the latter has only one pot of money - the taxpayer.

Or borrowing.

 

[Class 170101]

Or borrowing.

For taxpayers to pay back later

 

[edwin_m]

Why do people keep saying this? The money for links can only come from either private sector or the public sector - the latter has only one pot of money - the taxpayer.

The private sector isn't a charity. Unless the scheme is financially viable and repays its capital (which basically doesn't happen) then the government would need to reimburse a private investor by service availability payments or some other mechanism. So it all comes back to taxpayers.

There's no shortage of credible rail plans for it. It's just that it's not the priority at the moment. If they started developing out the rail plans, the costs would just end up going on HS2's tab, and we really don't need more expense on that.

Although the money comes from the taxpayer ultimately, different projects are held accountable for meeting their own budget. Making changes part way through is also a pretty good way of losing control of the project and sending it into overspend. So projects will do whatever they can to stop extra things being added to their scope - if it's wanted it should be managed as a separate project.

 

[CptCharlee]

Has there been any info in regards to GWR services stopping at Old Oak? Or is it just crossrail.

 

[swt_passenger]

Has there been any info in regards to GWR services stopping at Old Oak? Or is it just crossrail.

Yes. Network Rail‘s 2016 Western route study said that they are assuming ALL GWML services will call at Old Oak Common.

 

[Ianno87]

For taxpayers to pay back later

Via increased tax receipts enabled by the economic benefits of the project.

 

[Horizon22]

Where exactly are the turnbacks for OOC Crossrail terminators intended to be? Is it the scrap of land between the Central line and Old Oak Common Lane? Surely that would necessitate new bridges? Or roughly where the HEX depot is? The artist's impression doesn't show seem to show these on the site. They don't seem to be listed but it seems that many have suggested this is the eventual plan.

 

[SynthD]

One of the links in this thread or the Construction thread mentioned an area where the new bridges over the road were being made.

 

[CW2]

Where exactly are the turnbacks for OOC Crossrail terminators intended to be? Is it the scrap of land between the Central line and Old Oak Common Lane? Surely that would necessitate new bridges? Or roughly where the HEX depot is? The artist's impression doesn't show seem to show these on the site. They don't seem to be listed but it seems that many have suggested this is the eventual plan.

They will be two centre turnbacks immediately to the west of OOC station, between the Up and Down relief lines.

 

[Horizon22]

One of the links in this thread or the Construction thread mentioned an area where the new bridges over the road were being made.

Yes taking a look at this document (P3) does seem to have an intensification of track over Old Oak Common Lane - broadly where the New North Main Line connection was - the lane itself apparently being widened with better access anyway so will be a comprehensive bit of work there.

 

[Chonner]

Where exactly are the turnbacks for OOC Crossrail terminators intended to be? Is it the scrap of land between the Central line and Old Oak Common Lane? Surely that would necessitate new bridges? Or roughly where the HEX depot is? The artist's impression doesn't show seem to show these on the site. They don't seem to be listed but it seems that many have suggested this is the eventual plan.

Yes taking a look at this document (P3) does seem to have an intensification of track over Old Oak Common Lane - broadly where the New North Main Line connection was - the lane itself apparently being widened with better access anyway so will be a comprehensive bit of work there.

I was interested in this and did some further digging - this document shows the plans for the track layout west of the relief platforms, with the 3 sidings between the up and down reliefs. Extracted below for ease.




You can find the full planning application for the station and lots more drawings here, which I don't think has been linked in this thread before.

 

[Horizon22]

I was interested in this and did some further digging - this document shows the plans for the track layout west of the relief platforms, with the 3 sidings between the up and down reliefs. Extracted below for ease.

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You can find the full planning application for the station and lots more drawings here, which I don't think has been linked in this thread before.

Thanks. That does seem to imply more running lines over the bridge.

 

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[Horizon22]

They've been periodically closing the relief lines on various weekends anyway, and some sections of track are being taken out of use permanently (the Reception Line) and there's been a general intensification of work at the site but nothing too drastic yet.

 

[miami]

Construction work (rather than prep work) has begun

HS2: Old Oak Common construction work begins

The transport secretary gives the signal for digging to start at Old Oak Common station.

www.bbc.co.uk

The first permanent construction work to take place at an HS2 station in west London has been started during a visit by the transport secretary.
Construction of a 1.1-mile-long (1.8km) underground wall at Old Oak Common started after Grant Shapps gave the signal for digging to begin.
The site will become the UK's largest railway station built in a single stage with a total of six HS2 platforms.

Meanwhile up the road

Our Willesden Euroterminal team have been receiving excavated materials from other HS2 sites in the area. We now have enough excavated material on site to start removing it from the area by rail.

The first train will be loaded in the railway sidings in the Willesden Euroterminal site on 28 June. The train will depart from the site on 29 June between 3am and 6am to align with the rail freight timetable. These dates may change.

Update: start of removal of excavated materials by rail at Willesden Euroterminal site - HS2

Removal of excavated materials by rail from 29 June Our Willesden Euroterminal team have been receiving excavated materials from other HS2 sites in the area. We now have enough excavated material on site to start removing it from the area by rail. The first train will be loaded in the railway...

www.hs2.org.uk

 

[Horizon22]

The hole in the ground has certainly been getting bigger and bigger with more machinery on site the past few weeks. BBC London had a segment on it this evening.

Coverage starts at 09:50 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000x9f0/bbc-london-evening-news-23062021

 

[city dweller]

This video shows how works will progress

 

[absolutelymilk]

Anyone have any suggestions for where to get a good photo of construction from? I went today to Old Oak Common Lane and couldn't really see very much through the plastic peephole they have provided.

 

[Horizon22]

Anyone have any suggestions for where to get a good photo of construction from? I went today to Old Oak Common Lane and couldn't really see very much through the plastic peephole they have provided.

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Live in one of the nearby new tower blocks? On a more serious note, you can try and get a view on the train inward to Paddington if you're not going too quickly. I've not seen anything additional worthy - been awaiting the old HeX buildings to be demolished. They've started digging up some of the old track anyway.

 

[hwl]

Live in one of the nearby new tower blocks? On a more serious note, you can try and get a view on the train inward to Paddington if you're not going too quickly. I've not seen anything additional worthy - been awaiting the old HeX buildings to be demolished. They've started digging up some of the old track anyway.

The first job is several miles of contiguous piling round the outside of the future station box and construct the bracing at surrounding (existing) ground level hence it won't look too much different from the above photo for a long time part from the piling rig and cranes moving.