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The arch was high in the air as I passed on Regent Road at 9am; a spectacular sight! Sadly the traffic lights were all on green for once so no chance of a quick photo. Look forward to seeing lots posted later.
 

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jeepers creepers that is a lot of diesel under the wires mileage.

Yes and no. VTWC Voyagers are roughly evenly split between London-Birmingham-Scotland and London-Chester/Holyhead. The 10 Voyagers all have 5 coaches and are ussually doubled up so could be replaced by 5 or 6 Pendolinos with some timetable alterations.

I agree with the earlier posts regarding the multiple options to serve Blackpool and Bolton. Both could have had a daily service if VT had wanted to provide one. A couple of doubled Voyagers starting and ending their day in each town while the Pendolino filled their place would have worked. The rest of the day both could do their current routes. There clearly is not the demand for Bolton if VTWC were not prepared to make alterations so that both it and Blackpool could have a daily service.
 

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Once electrified, Bolton could be served by running a Picc departure empty stock from Longsight to return in the normal London path south of Manchester. I wonder if off peak a London - Manchester -Bolton -Preston - Blackpool service would work, a bit like the London to Paignton via Bristol trains. The issue will be slack in the stock if any in the middle of the day. (plan B is St Pancras Nottingham Manchester Blackpool by HST!)
 

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I agree with the earlier posts regarding the multiple options to serve Blackpool and Bolton. Both could have had a daily service if VT had wanted to provide one. A couple of doubled Voyagers starting and ending their day in each town while the Pendolino filled their place would have worked. The rest of the day both could do their current routes. There clearly is not the demand for Bolton if VTWC were not prepared to make alterations so that both it and Blackpool could have a daily service.

Daily services don't fit well with the Virgin corporate image -- they want the impression of user-friendliness that a clockface timetable provides.
 

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I find it hard to chuckle at the cost and delay one man's arrogance has caused! :(

In the longer run, the year's delay didn't really matter.
Network Rail is also a year (or more) late with NW electrification, and neither TPE or Northern has the stock for extra services.
Cascades into the north are also late because of NR electrification problems elsewhere (GW, Scotland).

The present notion of not doing the Piccadilly upgrade is at least as serious.
It calls into question the whole scheme.

Yes and no. VTWC Voyagers are roughly evenly split between London-Birmingham-Scotland and London-Chester/Holyhead. The 10 Voyagers all have 5 coaches and are ussually doubled up so could be replaced by 5 or 6 Pendolinos with some timetable alterations.

I agree with the earlier posts regarding the multiple options to serve Blackpool and Bolton. Both could have had a daily service if VT had wanted to provide one. A couple of doubled Voyagers starting and ending their day in each town while the Pendolino filled their place would have worked. The rest of the day both could do their current routes. There clearly is not the demand for Bolton if VTWC were not prepared to make alterations so that both it and Blackpool could have a daily service.

Virgin were told to serve Blackpool and Shrewsbury, but not Bolton.
The Birmingham-Scotland changes freed up one Voyager which forms the Shrewsbury services (tacked on to Euston-Wolverhampton).
The early Blackpool was once the early Lancaster, and once it reaches Crewe it spends the rest of the day on Holyhead services.
Now the 390 refurb is complete maybe there will be another Pendolino available.
 

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I'd been wondering about this. Is the plan to increase through platforms at Piccadilly now in the long grass? Apologies if I've missed this.
There was an item in the last Modern Railways in which Mark Carne was quoted as saying that when the Piccadilly/Oxford Road scheme gets Transport & Works Act approval (which it presumably will soon), Network Rail would need to look again at its benefit/cost ratio as a matter of routine before proceeding with it. How much or little that means is anyone's guess.
 

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I'd been wondering about this. Is the plan to increase through platforms at Piccadilly now in the long grass? Apologies if I've missed this.

It's only rumours, but apparently a delay/cancellation is on the cards, largely because of NR's budget problems.
All the planning hoops have been jumped through, and all that's left is the DfT approval to proceed.
Whether the Oxford Road upgrade is in the same boat I don't know. If anything that is the more urgent upgrade.
A delay for budgetary reasons is one thing, but canning the project would be a shocking waste of design/planning effort.
It would surely bring into question the business case for the whole scheme, including the Ordsall Chord.
 

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Rats. I'd assumed the Deansgate - Piccadilly corridor was more or less full so I don't see how Ordsall wins much at all without this.

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All the planning hoops have been jumped through, and all that's left is the DfT approval to proceed.
That's not quite right. The DfT approval that is awaited is for the application for an Order under the Transport & Works Act, so it corresponds to a form of planning permission rather than to financial approval. However the threat to the scheme does not come from any suggestion that this will be denied. There is a backlog of T&W applications at the DfT.

Whether the Oxford Road upgrade is in the same boat I don't know. If anything that is the more urgent upgrade.
The T&W Order application covers both. The Modern Railways item mentioned only Piccadilly so it's not clear whether Carne was intending to refer to both or just Piccadilly.
 

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Meanwhile, a press release on today's lift:

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/centrepiece-of-great-north-rail-project-takes-its-place/

Centrepiece of Great North Rail Project takes its place

A scheme to connect Manchester’s main railway stations moved a big step closer towards becoming a reality today as two arches weighing hundreds of tonnes were dramatically craned into place.

The arches are the centre-piece of the Ordsall Chord, transforming the Greater Manchester skyline forever and achieving a major milestone in the Great North Rail Project, part of Network Rail’s Railway Upgrade Plan.

Once complete in December 2017 the Ordsall Chord, a 300-metre length of track, will link all three of Manchester’s main stations – Piccadilly, Oxford Road and Victoria for the first time – bringing transformative benefits to train customers across the North of England.

By reducing railway congestion by 25% in the railway hub of Manchester, the chord will reduce journey times and enable faster, more frequent services to run through the city to and from other major economic centres in the north.

Today’s moment is steeped in historical resonance. Ordsall’s location is the birthplace of modern intercity railways. In September 1830 ‘father of railways’ George Stephenson opened the Liverpool-Manchester line, which ran adjacent to the location of the arches which were lifted into place today.

Rail Minister Paul Maynard said: “I’m delighted this crucial step has been completed successfully. The Ordsall Chord is a key part of the government’s £1bn-plus investment in upgrading the rail infrastructure across the North of England.

“These improvements are at the heart of our plans for the Northern Powerhouse. This is a demonstration of our commitment to deliver change that passengers want, such as increasing direct links between Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle and other cities, providing more room and faster, more frequent services by 2020.”

Customers as far afield as Newcastle will benefit from reduced journey times. The chord will enable new direct links to Manchester Airport from locations including Rochdale and Bradford. Trains will be able to run from Macclesfield, Greenbank and New Mills in Cheshire and south Manchester.

The River Irwell crossing will be the first arch bridge of its kind in the UK. The design uses inclined hangers which cross each other at least twice instead of vertical hangers, which allows for a more elegant design that is thinner and uses less material. This is particularly important due to the proximity of Stephenson’s bridge, built in 1830.

Two huge bridge arches, weighing 600 tonnes and designed and constructed in Greater Manchester, were lifted and fixed into position forming a new bridge.

The crane used to install the arches is the largest in the UK and one of the biggest in Europe.

The crane was constructed at the work site next to the River Irwell, which links Manchester and Salford, after its component parts were delivered by 35 wagons.

Programme Manager Allan Parker from Network Rail said: “This latest piece of work signifies we are getting ever closer to the Ordsall Chord being completed. Once finished, passengers from across the north will have more direct services to Manchester Airport and a reduction in congestion due to some services from the east being rerouted through to Victoria station first. This will mean an increase in services as more trains will be able to run to Piccadilly.

“As you can imagine, the sheer size of the arches and the accuracy needed to position them meant there was a lot of planning that took place previously. I have been working on this project from the very beginning and I am extremely proud of every milestone we have achieved. However, the sight of the arches elevated over the River Irwell was very special and will live long in my memory.”

David Brown, chief executive of Transport for the North, said: “This new rail link in the heart of the North is among the first of many major changes that will help transform connectivity and give people more choice around where they live and work. It is exactly the sort of initiative that Transport for the North is encouraging across rail, road, air and water – a project that unleashes new potential and which will help the North to grow its potential.”

Liam Sumpter, Regional Director for Northern said: “It’s fantastic to see another vital part of the Ordsall Chord being put in place. The bridge will undoubtedly become a iconic part of the Manchester skyline and I am looking forward to seeing the new Northern services carrying our customers across it.”

Paul Staples, Fleet Director for TransPennine Express said: “It’s been great to witness this milestone moment which brings us one step closer to the completion of this great engineering feat.

“The Ordsall Chord is an essential component in improving not only Manchester’s railway, but rail travel across the entire North of England. It will allow us to introduce additional journey opportunities, more frequent services and brand new trains which is fantastic news for our customers.”

Project Manager for Severfield, Jarrod Hulme said: “Today, after months of detailed design planning workshops, we successfully completed the tandem lift of the network arches onto the bridge deck, over the River Irwell. I am extremely proud of everyone involved in reaching this milestone. Over the last few weeks the Severfield team have been working incredibly hard to get everything in place for today’s tandem lift and we are delighted with today’s achievement on this fabulous project.”

Peter Jenkins, BDP Transport Architect Director and project lead architect, said: “The BDP team has designed with the engineers from WSP, Aecom and Mott MacDonald an 89-metre single-span network arch bridge to carry twin heavy-rail tracks.

“I still have my original sketch of the bridge concept from when BDP started work on this exciting and challenging project over five years ago. It is therefore hugely satisfying to reach the dramatic moment of the bridge arches being lifted into place over the river.”
 
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"Great North Rail Project"?
It's strange how Great North(ern) finds itself plastered all over Manchester, which is firmly LNWR territory (plus L&Y, MS&L, CLC, Midland).
All because of the prominent Great Northern Railway lettering on their former Deansgate goods warehouse, which got attached to the shopping centre inside!

But a great achievement.
With high winds/bad weather on the way, they picked a good time.
Railways are changing the landscape again.
 

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Place North West:

https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/the-bridge-now-arriving-at-ordsall-chord/

A significant step towards completion of the £320m Ordsall Chord project to link Manchester’s Victoria and Piccadilly train stations for the first time took place today when the 600-tonne 89-metre-long weathered steel bridge designed by BDP was lifted into place.

After stress testing has been finished, the bridge span is due to be welded onto the stub ends on Saturday by specialist subcontractor Code Serve, based in North Wales, working with steel fabricator Severfield, of Bolton.

See gallery below

The ‘network arch’ is the first of its kind to be built in the UK, it combines diagonal splayed wires and an asymmetrical steel arch, rather than the more usual symmetrical arch with vertical suspension wires. The splayed wires allow the arch to be flatter, said transport architect Peter Jenkins of BDP who has been working on the bridge for six years. The width of the arch beams narrows from 2m by 1.2m at the widest end next to Trinity Way down to 750 mm by 600mm at the end where it joins George Stephenson’s 1830 grade one-listed bridge, the first railway bridge in the world. Jenkins said this gives the bridge a more delicate join with Stephenson’s and adds to the ribbon-like flow of the design.

The bridge was welded together lying flat on the river bank, making the form more precise and less stressed than traditional bridge erection where 10 welds would have taken place in the final position rather than the four used, which also save six weeks on project delivery.

In the coming weeks, traffic on Trinity Way will be diverted under the arches towards Middlewood Locks and Ordsall Lane, and the road closed to allow for the horizontal bridge to be lifted into position next to the new arched bridge. There will be a 13-day blockade at Easter to install the bridge span.

The dip, or swoosh as the project team have dubbed it, that links the arch with the horizontal bridges is due to be installed in June.

(more at the link above)

Manchester Evening News:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ordsall-chord-arches-manchester-live-12633356

(text and video clips at the link)
 

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Rats. I'd assumed the Deansgate - Piccadilly corridor was more or less full so I don't see how Ordsall wins much at all without this.

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I take it plans to increase capacity by adding lines/platforms on the Deansgate/Piccadilly corridor have been shelved? If so then the curve doesn't make much sense if the capacity isn't there to use it.

A plausible but daft (and very inconvenient for me) solution would be to imagine the Windsor Link wasn't there, and have all trains from Bolton/Wigan go to Victoria as they used to, and then change there (tram or train) for Piccadilly and beyond. That would free up at least two up and two down passages per hour, maybe even three or more (don't know the daytime timetable that well) - but what would the point of the Windsor link be....
 

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I take it plans to increase capacity by adding lines/platforms on the Deansgate/Piccadilly corridor have been shelved?
I suggest you read the two posts immediately before the one you quoted, and the one immediately after it.
 
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I take it plans to increase capacity by adding lines/platforms on the Deansgate/Piccadilly corridor have been shelved? If so then the curve doesn't make much sense if the capacity isn't there to use it.

From what's been announced, not shelved but it looks possible that a May 2018 completion date is assumed.

TPE's application to the ORR for December 2017 TPE North and South services may be found here. It looks as if there will be only 1tph over the Chord - mainly Middlesbrough services. Also the Liverpool to Scarborough service will run via Chat Moss and Victoria, no longer Deansgate/Piccadilly. Northern's December 2017 consultation shows only a Calder Valley to Oxford Road service. So there will be no net increase in services between Oxford Road and Piccadilly at that time.

However Northern's document says of the Calder Valley service:

This service represents a stepping stone to the May 2018 timetable change where that service will be extended through central Manchester and onto the Airport.

So extra services through the corridor by May 2018?
 
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However a recent post in the thread on the Northern Consultation by LNW-GW Joint suggests December 2018!

The double-track electrified chord is on course to be commissioned in September and open to revenue services with the December timetable change. Initially, Arriva Rail North and TransPennine Express will each operate one train per hour in each direction over the link, with TPE confirming that a second service would be added from December 2018

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/infrastructure/single-view/view/ordsall-chord-bridge-move-brings-flowing-ribbon-link-closer.html
 

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So if Oxford Road and Piccadilly were to be given the go ahead they are supposed to be done by May 2018!? I thought they were large enough jobs that they would take multiple years.
 

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So if Oxford Road and Piccadilly were to be given the go ahead they are supposed to be done by May 2018!? I thought they were large enough jobs that they would take multiple years.

I'd say 2 years elapsed, assuming they are done in parallel.
The Oxford Road one will be more disruptive I think, will all the current platforms being realigned/extended.
Plenty of bank holiday possessions needed I expect.
So Dec 2019 earliest I'd say.
 

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I'd say 2 years elapsed, assuming they are done in parallel.
The Oxford Road one will be more disruptive I think, will all the current platforms being realigned/extended.
Plenty of bank holiday possessions needed I expect.
So Dec 2019 earliest I'd say.

IIRC, Joseph_Locke has previously posted that there are signalling improvements that increase the capacity of the corridor in the interim? Taken together, the service requirements for Dec 2017 in the TPE and Northern franchise agreements imply that there is capacity for at least 14tph through Deansgate (including 1tph freight and 1tph ATW) and 12tph through Piccadilly (assuming the 2tph CLC stoppers continue to terminate in Oxford Road Platform 5).
 

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Whether the Oxford Road upgrade is in the same boat I don't know. If anything that is the more urgent upgrade.

I always admit to zero technical knowledge but Oxford Road has four through platforms and Piccadilly two, so why is MCO the more pressing?

Andrew
 

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So if Oxford Road and Piccadilly were to be given the go ahead they are supposed to be done by May 2018!? I thought they were large enough jobs that they would take multiple years.

No, lejog seems to have failed to read the post he was replying to, and hasn't noticed that the question was about the new and altered platforms. The intention if the Oxford Road and Piccadilly alterations go ahead is for them to be completed in time for the associated extra services to start in December 2019. They are basically two years behind the Chord. I imagine they would need to start construction this year to achieve that.

I always admit to zero technical knowledge but Oxford Road has four through platforms and Piccadilly two, so why is MCO the more pressing?
I was wondering that too.
 
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No, lejog has failed to read the post he was replying to. The intention if Oxford Road and Piccadilly go ahead is for them to be completed in time for the associated extra services to start in December 2019. They are basically two years behind the Chord.

No my post was meant to be flippant. The only extra service due in December 2019 in the TPE/Northern franchises was the Bradford service due at the latest in December 2019, which Northern now plans for May 2018. The three other extra services for the Castlefield corridor were all scheduled for December 2017, one extra TPE service, one extra Northern service from the Airport (CLC and Cumbria replacing Southport) and an extra Northern Stockport to Bolton.
 

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Sorry I missed the point. I don't usually try to remember the franchise requirements, only the announced timescales for civils and electrification.
 

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IIRC, Joseph_Locke has previously posted that there are signalling improvements that increase the capacity of the corridor in the interim? Taken together, the service requirements for Dec 2017 in the TPE and Northern franchise agreements imply that there is capacity for at least 14tph through Deansgate (including 1tph freight and 1tph ATW) and 12tph through Piccadilly (assuming the 2tph CLC stoppers continue to terminate in Oxford Road Platform 5).

Ah thank you, an answer! So it appears that all the services specified can be accommodated with signalling improvements only. Are the following figures for the planned passenger services correct?

Northern from Airport 5 (CLC, Chat Moss, Blackpool, Cumbria and Bradford)+ possibly a 6th to Burnley.
Northern from Stockport to Bolton 2
TPE 3 (2 TPE North and 1 Scotland)
EMT 1
ATW 1

If so perhaps the Oxford Road/Piccadilly upgrades are a gold plated solution and could be cancelled. Spending all that money to provide new platforms etc and have no extra services to run may not look good.
 

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I always admit to zero technical knowledge but Oxford Road has four through platforms and Piccadilly two, so why is MCO the more pressing?

The idea was to have 4 platform faces which could be used alternately for following services, at both MAN and MCO.
You can't do that at Piccadilly without the new P15/16 viaduct, but Oxford Road can achieve it with realigned platforms (which would also remove P5).
It also needs complete redevelopment in terms of passenger facilities (new bridge, escalators etc).
It is currently operated as pretty much a 2-through-platform station (P2/4) with the odd diversion into P1/3 and the P5 bay.
The aim was also for 4x160m platforms, which is not currently possible at MCO.
 
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