Peterborough to Doncaster via Lincoln Central

[Aictos]

Just want to make sure the tickets I'm looking at will be valid for the journey, I've decided to break my journey into two parts to see if it would be cheaper then getting Any Permitted tickets.

Now I'm using NFM03 so you need to bear with me but:

Peterborough to Lincoln Central
Standard Class Single Any Permitted ticket
£4.25

Lincoln Central to Doncaster
Standard Class Single Any Permitted ticket
£5.10

Doncaster to Newark Northgate
First Class Single Any Permitted ticket
£6.65

Newark Northgate to Peterborough
First Class Single Any Permitted ticket
£8.00

Which comes to £24.00

Is this valid on the above route? Can I stay on a direct train between say Doncaster and Peterborough as long as it stops at Newark Northgate?

Peterborough to Doncaster
Standard Class Single Any Permitted ticket
£10.00

Doncaster to Peterborough
First Class Single Any Permitted ticket
£17.00

Which comes to £27.00

These last two should be valid for any service.

Any help would be appreciated, cheers

 

[mathmo]

Is this valid on the above route? Can I stay on a direct train between say Doncaster and Peterborough as long as it stops at Newark Northgate?

A direct train is always valid; therefore, if you have a Doncaster - Newark ticket then it is valid on any direct train from Doncaster to Newark, and the same for Newark to Peterborough. If those happen to be the same train then there is clearly no problem either. (But of course, as you say, it must stop at Newark.)

 

[yorkie]

If you just want to do Peterborough-Doncaster via Lincoln, then Peterborough-Doncaster direct via ECML, then you are fine to use a Peterborough-Doncaster ticket (Valid on map EE).

If you do not mind calling at Newark when you return via ECML to save a few pounds, then you can do that, but check the timetable to see if it's worth it as you don't save much by the sound of it.

 

[Aictos]

If you just want to do Peterborough-Doncaster via Lincoln, then Peterborough-Doncaster direct via ECML, then you are fine to use a Peterborough-Doncaster ticket (Valid on map EE).

If you do not mind calling at Newark when you return via ECML to save a few pounds, then you can do that, but check the timetable to see if it's worth it as you don't save much by the sound of it.

Cheers guys,

 

[Aictos]

Hi guys again, I'm hoping to do this run on Tuesday - is it too soon especially with the recent weather?

Is it worth the risk?

 

[Jordy]

You should be ok really but no guarantee!

 

[will1337]

Note that if you specify via Lincoln, you can make journeys from London via the joint line with AP tickets. They seem to have a reasonable avaliability, I got London - Cleethorpes via PBO, LCN and DON last year fairly near to the time of travel cheaply.

 

[Aictos]

Well I'm looking at getting the East Midland Trains 1148 ex Peterborough to Doncaster and getting the East Coast 1450 ex Doncaster to Peterborough, the East Coast service is the 0840 from Glasgow Central.

How busy is the first class on the train from Doncaster southbound, would I need to reserve a seat or can I just get away with buying a first class ticket from one of the revenue guys I see on the way to work or from a East Coast guard even if the ticket is for travel on Tuesday?

Would be better if I didn't have to reserve a seat as I could in theory buy my tickets from the guard on the train I'm using tomorrow which is better and more convenient without having to worry about reserving a seat.

 

[Aictos]

I've got the above ticket and was wondering if I was able to use it on the following services:

Doncaster to Newark Northgate: departs at 1450
Newark Northgate to Peterborough via Lincoln: departs at 1536

Just like to know if my ticket would be valid for the first route above or is a excess fare will have to be paid?

 

[clagmonster]

Doncaster and Peterborough are both routeing points.
Routeing permissions for Doncaster to Peterborough are EE and ER.
Map EE gives:
Doncaster-Lincoln-Sleaford-Peterborough

Map ER gives:
Doncaster-Retford-Newark-Grantham-Peterborough
Doncaster-Barnetby-Retford-Newark-Grantham-Peterborough

Sadly you have to travel via one of Newark and Lincoln, but can't travel via both as you wish. I would advise buying separate Doncaster-Newark and Newark-Peterborough tickets, which will come to a total of £9.35.

 

[Tomnick]

Does the fact that it's a direct train from Newark to Peterborough via Lincoln (well, I assume from Ajax's post that it is!) change anything?

 

[clagmonster]

No, from the NRCoC:
"13. The route you are entitled to take
(a) You may travel between the stations shown on the ticket you hold in:
(i) a through train;
(ii) trains which take the shortest route which can be used by scheduled
passenger services; or
(iii) trains which take the routes shown in the National Routeing Guide
(details as to how you can obtain this information will be available
when you buy your ticket)."
It would have to be a through train from Doncaster to Peterborough via Newark and Lincoln to make a difference.

 

[Tomnick]

But Newark to Peterborough is a valid route in the routeing guide, so surely a through train would be valid over that portion, regardless of the actual booked route?

 

[clagmonster]

No because the routeing guide map ER specifically shown Newark-Peterborough via Grantham. The Newark-Peterborough via Lincoln service, unless it does something very strange won't touch Grantham, hence it not being valid.

 

[John @ home]

Does the fact that it's a direct train from Newark to Peterborough via Lincoln ... change anything?

No.

But Newark to Peterborough is a valid route in the routeing guide, so surely a through train would be valid over that portion, regardless of the actual booked route?

No. The fact that it is a through train from Newark to Peterborough via Lincoln means that a Newark to Peterborough route Any Permitted ticket may be used.

It is not a through train from Doncaster to Peterborough via Newark and Lincoln, so the through train rule does not apply to a passenger holding a Doncaster - Peterborough ticket.

 

[Aictos]

Cheers guys, I did manage to see a EMT guard on the way to work and was told yes I can do it, no problems.
Still, it's always good to be told from more then one source.

 

[yorkie]

It is not a through train from Doncaster to Peterborough via Newark and Lincoln, so the through train rule does not apply to a passenger holding a Doncaster - Peterborough ticket.

I agree. However it does mean that 99% of the time, the Common Sense Routeing Guide will be used. Where the route passes this test, the actual Routeing Guide isn't even consulted The only problem is that common sense is subjective. But in a case like this, hardly any guard is going to query it let alone not accept it, especially (and I shouldn't say this, but it's true) with a PRIV.
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Cheers guys, I did manage to see a EMT guard on the way to work and was told yes I can do it, no problems.
Still, it's always good to be told from more then one source.

We (those who I include in "we" know who they are ) have a saying:

There's valid tickets that look invalid, there's invalid tickets that look valid, and there's everything in between!

This is an example of an invalid ticket that looks valid, and really should be (if the RG made any sense). An example of a valid ticket that looks invalid would be a Moorslink issued on bus ticket stock from Whitby to Middlesbrough. It really did annoy me when it was not accepted by the guard (we had to discuss it for about 5 minutes) when a Greenways was, just because it was on proper stock, in 2006! Hence the saying above...

 

[Failed Unit]

Map ER gives:
Doncaster-Retford-Newark-Grantham-Peterborough
Doncaster-Barnetby-Retford-Newark-Grantham-Peterborough
.

Barnetby WTF! I suppose good for track bashing. I alway thought that Edinburgh - Lincoln been valid via Barnetby was bad enough but understandable in the Summer getting a train to anywhere is hard in Lincolnshire but who in their right mind would go Doncaster - Peterborough via Barnetby! I wonder how much revenue EMT are allocated via ORCAT's!

 

[yorkie]

it's just the way the maps are.

as for orcats, none if no journeys are the fastest*

(* direct, but slower than changing trains do get allocations on the basis that many people prefer not to change)

according to what I've read about orcats anyway. the exact formulas are top secret !

 

[Scotty]

A Lincolnshire Day Ranger at £21.00 allows travel from Doncaster to Peterborough, via Lincoln

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/manag...4f75ffb298e/areaMap/LincolnshireDayRanger.jpg