I have been caught. But inspector just says, you shouldn't get off at MKC, and could in theory charge me to next stop, Nuneaton. But I would refuse to make this payment and that is the question, am i a law-abiding person by refusing to make that payment? I still think I'm on fairly safe grounds. Although most people on here disagree.
No because you are in the wrong and should quite rightly be charged a brand new ticket which is valid from London Euston to the first station where you can board/get off be that Stafford, Crewe, Coventry or Rugby.
So no you are not NOT on fairly safe grounds and are very much in the wrong!
Nah, I mean at this time as the alternatives are West Midlands and they have other stops unless wait for 1746, and they are still not quite so quick between Euston and MKC as the Virgin trains. So if i'm arriving Euston around 5pm on a weekday I can gain 20 minutes by boarding the supposed non-stopping Virgin train.
And is a discussion as to legalities. And by from what I've seen the most accurate response points out law on my side.
No you are quite wrong because if you arrive at Euston around 5pm on a weekday as you have explained then please explain to me how you can save 20 minutes by using the 17:10 Virgin Trains which your ticket is not valid to using the 17:13 LNWR which your ticket is valid bearing in mind the latter gets into Milton Keynes just 2 minutes later and is non stop from Euston.
By my maths, your claim of saving 20 minutes doesn't add up at all!
And ignorance of the law is no defence as it's been pointed out to you numerous times that your ticket is NOT valid on a service which is pick up only just the same as it would not be valid towards Euston on a service which is set down only at Watford Junction.
Definitely I would question a train manager would have that power, I would say that would be false imprisonment, the train has stopped and the doors have opened, and I have a valid ticket for my route.
But you do NOT have a valid ticket for that train, it might be a Milton Keynes to London Terminals season ticket but it doesn't give you carte blanche to board any train which heads to Milton Keynes especially as there are ticket restrictions in place which state that the train in question is PICK UP ONLY at Milton Keynes, not any ticket is valid so just board.
So as been explained to you, before many times and I don't know why it is difficult to understand why you are in the wrong but until such a time that the pick up only restriction is removed, your ticket is not valid as the train only calls at Milton Keynes to PICK UP passengers not allow passengers who could easily use LNWR services to save 2 minutes to use it.
As to stating false inprisonment I doubt it, you could quite rightly be held by revenue who should give you a Penalty Fare/charge you a brand new ticket from Euston to the first valid station stop which is Nuneaton because your ticket is NOT valid!
Umm I didn't board the train without a valid ticket and have a valid ticket the journey I intend to make, how can the ticket not be valid for the train? It's a season ticket. Doing something against a set of rules might not bother me much, if it could be shown to be illegal then I would have a different opinion. But from what has been posted here, to me it clearly isn't.
Umm you did board the train without a valid ticket and no you don't have a valid ticket for the journey you intend to make as the first acceptable stop on that service is Nuneaton which is where passengers can get on or get off - Milton Keynes is only there for passengers from Milton Keynes to join the train there to travel onto Nuneaton and beyond.
Just because it's a season ticket doesn't mean it is valid as the 17:10 is advertised at Euston as Pick Up Only at Milton Keynes and the timetables also advertise Milton Keynes as a Pick Up Only call therefore as it is NOT a acceptable stop ie a stop to pick up and drop off passengers then your ticket is not valid.
Therefore as you are breaking the ticket restrictions which have been explained to you countless times and as it's also been explained to you that your ticket is not valid and why, it HAS been shown that your actions are illegal simply because you do not hold a valid ticket for that service.
Yes, totally. Yet flouting the rules is frowned upon, cos those the rules. It's a pick-up only station, and the rule is you can't get off! Although there is no legal backing for that rule. The argument then falls back to, 'if everybody did, then where would we be?'
Umm yes there is legal backing for that rule because Virgin Trains could argue that they have advertised the stop as Pick Up Only in the timetables, onboard announcements and also at Euston but also could state that Pick Up Only differs from a regular stop as a regular stop is advertised as a stop which passengers can get on or get off the service.
So Virgin Trains are quite in the right here and you for reasons I can't understand why cannot understand why you are in the wrong.
Any passenger who boards a Virgin Trains, LNER or GWR service who intends to travel to Watford Junction/Milton Keynes, Stevenage or Reading where the train is pick up only at these stations should be charged a brand new ticket from London to the first station where passengers can get on or get off be it Nuneaton/Rugby/Crewe, Peterborough/Grantham or Swindon/Oxford as there are alternative services available which are valid to be used.