LNW-GW Joint
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Based on using TPE's 802s, I wouldn't say the 80x will be much of an upgrade, except for removing diesels under the wires.
There will be some increase of capacity, and facilities (eg power sockets, phone reception).
Seats will be similar to those on the upgraded 390s which I haven't tried yet.
The 802 ride is of similar bumpiness to a 221, and not up to Pendolino standards.
You can expect to feel the bends on any part of the WCML run at higher than 110mph.
We don't yet know the speed profile, as non-tilt speed over 110mph is yet to be introduced.
805s will still have the 5/10-car combination (not many 10s), 807 is a new 7-car size which can't be doubled up, but can stop at Liverpool South Parkway.
Voyagers have been pretty good on the Avanti routes operated, and the old coach D (which could be designated 1st or standard) was very nice when configured as standard. Elsewhere the priority seats were good if you could get one.
As to where they will go, it's up to market forces and whether any TOC can afford them.
Their home is at Central Rivers, Burton, with the XC fleet.
Their fate may be bound up with that of the similar EMR Meridians, also coming off-lease in a couple of years.
There will be some increase of capacity, and facilities (eg power sockets, phone reception).
Seats will be similar to those on the upgraded 390s which I haven't tried yet.
The 802 ride is of similar bumpiness to a 221, and not up to Pendolino standards.
You can expect to feel the bends on any part of the WCML run at higher than 110mph.
We don't yet know the speed profile, as non-tilt speed over 110mph is yet to be introduced.
805s will still have the 5/10-car combination (not many 10s), 807 is a new 7-car size which can't be doubled up, but can stop at Liverpool South Parkway.
Voyagers have been pretty good on the Avanti routes operated, and the old coach D (which could be designated 1st or standard) was very nice when configured as standard. Elsewhere the priority seats were good if you could get one.
As to where they will go, it's up to market forces and whether any TOC can afford them.
Their home is at Central Rivers, Burton, with the XC fleet.
Their fate may be bound up with that of the similar EMR Meridians, also coming off-lease in a couple of years.