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MK and CreweWith what stops? Just a MK or something different?
MK and CreweWith what stops? Just a MK or something different?
That 7 mins is presumably on current SRTs with a 110mph ceiling and ordinary PSRs though?
It's unusual to introduce a new timetable before the matching trains/infrastructure are delivered!
Thank you, so if an 807 worked such a service without the new MU speed profile in place - how much more of a difference would it make?no it’s the new SRTs assuming the new PS speed profile
Thank you, so if an 807 worked such a service without the new MU speed profile in place - how much more of a difference would it make?
Hang on a minute, the packed blackpool services which are currently 9-11 car are being replaced by a 7?
I thought the Avanti Blackpool service only went there as a convenient location to send the set to free the platform at Preston.A 7 car 807 has only 16 fewer seats than a 9 car 390, and AIUI, more standard class Seating.
also, I’ve never seen an Avanti Blackpool service packed - quite the opposite!
Essentially, yes.If you mean how much later than it’s timings would it be,
Thank you.then it’s reasonable to assume it would run to the same time as the LNWR 350s.
Wow, that's almost Voyager levels of seating inefficiency compared to an 807! Yet, I never thought of 390s as being particularly space inefficient - they don't seat only up to 62 in the intermediate cars for instance.A 7 car 807 has only 16 fewer seats than a 9 car 390, and AIUI, more standard class Seating.
also, I’ve never seen an Avanti Blackpool service packed - quite the opposite!
From what I have seen they get packed imbetween New Street and Euston, not too bad from New Street to Preston and spacious onwards to Blackpool.A 7 car 807 has only 16 fewer seats than a 9 car 390, and AIUI, more standard class Seating.
also, I’ve never seen an Avanti Blackpool service packed - quite the opposite!
453 vs 469From what I have seen they get packed imbetween New Street and Euston, not too bad from New Street to Preston and spacious onwards to Blackpool.
I am genuinely surprised that the 807's will have only 16 seats less than the 390/0's.
Good grief, then again I expected to be well... 2 carriages!453 vs 469
453 vs 469
2 carriages?Good grief, then again I expected to be well... 2 carriages!
I should've thought of that initially as I said, because when you think of 23m vs 26m it's obvious there should be some improvement but it is more pronounced and I overlooked the fact that while not as bad as Voyagers, the Pendolinos are still not the most efficient particularly in the driving vehicles.(7 * 24) + (2 * 25) = 218m (9 car Pendo)
(7 * 26) = 182m (7 car 80x)
The 80x is 36m shorter, or one and a half coaches or thereabouts. However they do indeed make better use of space than Pendolinos, in particular the end vehicles have only a small section of non-public area before the cab.
I meant too carriages shorter, thinking that there wasn't much difference in the amount of seats per carriage.2 carriages?
I meant too carriages shorter, thinking that there wasn't much difference in the amount of seats per carriage.
Oh right.I meant too carriages shorter, thinking that there wasn't much difference in the amount of seats per carriage.
88 is what GWR, LNER, HT and TPE but yes, AWC seemed to have lower density seating in Std.12 more? Crikey. I'd have thought nearer 8.
That said, it does look like Avanti have ordered a very low density layout from videos I've seen, it looks like 8 tables per vehicle, mostly window aligned, much nicer than the other 80x (plus the better seats per the Pendolino refurbs). I think they're going to be really rather good and quite popular.
2 On test at Old Dalby (805001 and 805003), both 5 car.Is there actually any news on the subject of this thread? How's testing? How many are built?
They can indeed, but the numerous TSRs and other delays by late running trains mean ot is challenging for the 390s to keep time to even this slower schedule.no it’s the new SRTs assuming the new PS speed profile
it is. It wouldn’t have happened if the Pendolinos couldn’t keep to the new SRTs. As it happens, they can beat the comfortably.
The recent Crewe to Euston loco hauled schedule was 96.5 mins net excluding recovery and pathing allowances. Add 2 mins to the run times for a stop at Milton Keynes.If you mean how much later than it’s timings would it be, then it’s reasonable to assume it would run to the same time as the LNWR 350s.
It used to be but now these are the 3 services as it used to be before Covid except 2 of them are in Birmingham-Glasgow paths but that should change for may 2023I thought the Avanti Blackpool service only went there as a convenient location to send the set to free the platform at Preston.
The existing 80x have much better legroom than the 390s, so that would reduce the "extra" seating benefit from the 26m carriages and better layout.There's about one bay more seating in a full 80x vehicle than a 390. 390s have 8 bodyside windows per coach, 80x have 9, and the width and spacing is similar. So you're looking at about 8 more seats per vehicle (depending how efficient the layout is).
The existing 80x have much better legroom than the 390s, so that would reduce the "extra" seating benefit from the 26m carriages and better layout.
Let's out this one to bed! A Pendolino's top end acceleration from 90mph is quicker than a class 800/802. But an 805/807 will always lose time having to brake for lower speeds and accelerating back up to 125mph - where the Pendolino can sail through at full speed. That's why the non tilt schedule for Class 805/ 807 is appx 7 minutes slower net timings than the Pendolino schedule from Euston to Crewe.I thought the quicker acceleration away from corners helped to compensate for the none tilt of the 805/807? And that they would be able to maintain 390 timings?
Not quite yet, 805001 & 003 will be leaving Old Dalby on Monday morning at 08.50 bound for Oxley. Both understood to be running under their own power.The test set is finished at Old Dalby and has departed, can't remember where to.
Headcode is 0Z70, implying a Light Engine? Assuming the Headcode will be changed prior to departure?Not quite yet, 805001 & 003 will be leaving Old Dalby on Monday morning at 08.50 bound for Oxley. Both understood to be running under their own power.
Headcode is 0Z70, implying a Light Engine? Assuming the Headcode will be changed prior to departure?