Progress on Avanti West Coast's 805/807s Hitachi AT300 sets

[St. Paddy]

RTT says left Loughborough

Realtime Trains | 5Q66 1027 Loughborough Brush to Oxley Car. M.D. | 30/01/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q66 1027 departure from Loughborough Brush to Oxley Car. M.D. on 30/01/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Seeing as they are at Melton Mowbray, I suspect that could be a class 730 move. 805 move cancelled due to paperwork issues apparently

 

[craigybagel]

Do any AWC trains currently stop at Hartford?

No.

 

[Railperf]

As the 805/807 are derivatives of existing Class 800 fleet, does that mean acceptance, driver training and test running can start in earnest?

 

[RailWonderer]

Disappointed posters here but the 80xs are a very plain train to start with. The Pendolino was built with tardis lights in the vestibules and curvy panels and roofing. There is not much you can do to an IET to make it interesting besides fit good seats to make the ride comfortable. I think the important thing is legroom, window alignment and comfort and the IETs already have the first two figured out, just the third will be improved over time, as the complaints have been loud enough for ToCs (especially EMR) to take notice on that one.

Now I hope Avanti will join the know your train feature on RTT so that I can avoid them when using Avanti.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Now I hope Avanti will join the know your train feature on RTT so that I can avoid them when using Avanti.

They do.

I'll be choosing them rather than avoiding them, but it'll be fairly easy in most cases:

Chester and North Wales or anything that works as a portion of one of those*: all 805
Liverpools that call at South Parkway: 807
Birminghams that call at stations south of Coventry: 807
Everything else: 390

* I half recall this being true of the occasional Blackpools but I forget.

Like with Voyagers at present, performance is significantly different so the chance of them turning up on something not diagrammed is very, very low.

 

[43096]

Now I hope Avanti will join the know your train feature on RTT so that I can avoid them when using Avanti.

Errrrr, news not just in: Avanti “know your train” allocations have been in RTT for some time.

 

[RailWonderer]

They do.

I'll be choosing them rather than avoiding them, but it'll be fairly easy in most cases:

Chester and North Wales or anything that works as a portion of one of those*: all 805
Liverpools that call at South Parkway: 807
Birminghams that call at stations south of Coventry: 807
Everything else: 390

* I half recall this being true of the occasional Blackpools but I forget.

Like with Voyagers at present, performance is significantly different so the chance of them turning up on something not diagrammed is very, very low.

Ah, I forgot. I was confusing them with LNR who still haven't joined, where know your train would be useful for avoiding their incoming 730s. I have used RTT a good many times at Euston for platforms even in the last few months.

 

[Snow1964]

As the 805/807 are derivatives of existing Class 800 fleet, does that mean acceptance, driver training and test running can start in earnest?

Going to have paperwork and certification for anything new or different, but clearly if lot already exists then much quicker than a completely new design.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Seeing as they are at Melton Mowbray, I suspect that could be a class 730 move. 805 move cancelled due to paperwork issues apparently

730011

 

[Bletchleyite]

Ah, I forgot. I was confusing them with LNR who still haven't joined, where know your train would be useful for avoiding their incoming 730s. I have used RTT a good many times at Euston for platforms even in the last few months.

With 3+2 having been dropped, I can't see a reason to worry about 730s. If you want to avoid short-forms, you can use TIGER* at most LNR stations.

* https://tiger.worldline.global/home

 

[MattyJames]

RTT says left Loughborough

Realtime Trains | 5Q66 1027 Loughborough Brush to Oxley Car. M.D. | 30/01/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q66 1027 departure from Loughborough Brush to Oxley Car. M.D. on 30/01/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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That's 37611 & 730011

 

[Jammy Dodger]

Yep, the west coast mainline and the mainline to Norwich seems to be the only core route without an 80x.

Southeastern Highspeed uses 395's, which feel nothing like an IET on the inside (thanks to their commuter - style layout), despite being part of the same family

 

[route101]

Southeastern Highspeed uses 395's, which feel nothing like an IET on the inside (thanks to their commuter - style layout), despite being part of the same family

The 385s feel more similar to the 800, no surprise why.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

The 385s feel more similar to the 800, no surprise why.

Only because of the PIS in my opinion.

 

[RailWonderer]

Only because of the PIS in my opinion.

No, the seating and ambience is identical, and the bodyshell is very similar as well. I haven't been on one but from pictures they are signiature Hitachi.

 

[TheHovisKid]

Errrrr, news not just in: Avanti “know your train” allocations have been in RTT for some time.

Sssh!
I've been amazing my colleague (non-crank) with a twice daily game of guess the Pendolino, and "accidentally" getting just enough right to be ahead

 

[Harold]

Richard Clinnick advises a pathway for Units 001 and 003 to Oxley tomorrow (Thursday 2/2/2023) is scheduled after it was cancelled on Monday 30/1/2023 owing to "paperwork issues":

Realtime Trains | 5Q70 0800 Old Dalby to Oxley Car. M.D. | 02/02/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q70 0800 departure from Old Dalby to Oxley Car. M.D. on 02/02/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[The_Train]

Richard Clinnick advises a pathway for Units 001 and 003 to Oxley tomorrow (Thursday 2/2/2023) is scheduled after it was cancelled on Monday 30/1/2023 owing to "paperwork issues":

Realtime Trains | 5Q70 0800 Old Dalby to Oxley Car. M.D. | 02/02/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q70 0800 departure from Old Dalby to Oxley Car. M.D. on 02/02/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Expected to be 56 hauled I believe, instead of under their own power

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Expected to be 56 hauled I believe, instead of under their own power

That's a shame, any reason why?

 

[Pippy1505]

That's a shame, any reason why?

Only route cleared for being hauled suspect signal interference testing has not been carried out yet

 

[william.martin]

Well then, I get to see 2x 805 and 1x56, even better

 

[Meyrick]

They've left! https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03476/2023-02-02/detailed#allox_id=0

 

[CAF397]

From the videos I've seen were their Generator Units running?

The 56, whilst coupled using an adapter coupler for the air supply, does not have ETS for the electrics. Tail lights were illuminated and not a portable tail light on the rear.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

I noticed in this video at 9:35 they move away without the help of the 56, was there a loco at the other end or was this done by the 805s?

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

From the videos I've seen were their Generator Units running?

Certainly looks like it. I think it was just to give the units power for the essential equipment to run though, such as the tail lights.

A tad unusual that the units weren’t totally dead with a portable light, but I’m sure there would’ve been a reason for that.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

A tad unusual that the units weren’t totally dead with a portable light, but I’m sure there would’ve been a reason for that.

I mean they're trains that have been running already, I don't see why not let the trains do the work than deal with a portable light

 

[CAF397]

I was referencing the Signal interference comment in post #500. Surely with GUs running they are operational, and therefore any signal interference is still possible.

 

[futureA]

New trains are always welcome but these Class 800’s are becoming a plague! There’s too many of them.

I wish more operators would order those excellent Stadler Flirts of the type Greater Anglia have.

 

[InOban]

What's the plan now? Straight into driver training or do they still need extended fault free running?

 

[800001]

New trains are always welcome but these Class 800’s are becoming a plague! There’s too many of them.

I wish more operators would order those excellent Stadler Flirts of the type Greater Anglia have.

And then there would be a plague of them, All of Anglia and Wales have/are getting them.