Remaining EMR HST Diagrams

[darasafvatnia]

Does anyone have the current diagrams for the remaining East Midland Railway HST’s for the next month?

Thanks!

 

[swt_passenger]

Does anyone have the current diagrams for the remaining East Midland Railway HST’s for the next month?

Thanks!

The weekday diagrams are discussed in the thread about LNER HST transfer, post #954:

Transfer of LNER HST 125s to East Midlands Railway (EMR)

Surely that’s simply moving cost from one place to another? At least with the current situation the industry is well placed for the passenger resurgence which will happen (it’s a case of to what extent rather than whether it happens). Either way it's the treasury paying and if they aren't...

www.railforums.co.uk

I think weekends are too variable but someone might know more...

 

[43096]

Does anyone have the current diagrams for the remaining East Midland Railway HST’s for the next month?

Thanks!

They are available on the 125 Group website, here: https://www.125group.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/EMRDiagramsJan2021.pdf

 

[73128]

The first of the two Sunday diagrams from March that they show (starting 1008 1B36 Nottingham to London and ending on 2040 1F74 to Leeds) seems to be only a passing resemblance to the current EMR public timetable. [the other is shown as 1C43 1050 Leeds to London returning 1514 1D46 to Nottingham and ecs to Neville Hill). Are they still running Sundays please?

 

[DB]

The first of the two Sunday diagrams from March that they show (starting 1008 1B36 Nottingham to London and ending on 2040 1F74 to Leeds) seems to be only a passing resemblance to the current EMR public timetable. [the other is shown as 1C43 1050 Leeds to London returning 1514 1D46 to Nottingham and ecs to Neville Hill). Are they still running Sundays please?

Think the current diagrams have changed again in practice - for the past few weeks there have been two, both starting from Leeds (although a couple of weeks ago one ran ECS to Sheffield)

It normally *seems* to be 10.50 Leeds to St Pancras and 20.40 return, and the other set does 14.34 Leeds to St Pancras and 18.35 return.

 

[RealTrains07]

Does anyone have weekday diagrams for the 2 HST sets between Leeds and St Pancras?

The ones shown on the 125 group dont always show up on the timetable.

 

[nat67]

Does anyone have weekday diagrams for the 2 HST sets between Leeds and St Pancras?

The ones shown on the 125 group dont always show up on the timetable.

1) 1C15 0519 Leeds-St Pancras
1D48 1534 St Pancras-Nottingham
1B69 1745 Nottingham-St Pancras
1F70 2001 St Pancras-Leeds

2) 1B23 0634 Leeds-St Pancras
1D43 1434 St Pancras-Nottingham
1B63 1645 Nottingham-St Pancras
1D66 1904 St Pancras-Leeds

 

[Impey0711]

Are these diagrams In operation this Friday as I'm booked on 14:34??

 

[matt]

Are these diagrams In operation this Friday as I'm booked on 14:34??

Unlikely as the 06:34 from Leeds is not running on Good Friday

 

[Impey0711]

Sorry got my timings wrong good job I checked I'm on the 16:20 to Leicester Friday any ideas what allocated for that 222 I guess

 

[43096]

Sorry got my timings wrong good job I checked I'm on the 16:20 to Leicester Friday any ideas what allocated for that 222 I guess

Reported elsewhere that there are no EMR HSTs in service between Friday and Monday; a look at RTT for Leeds supports that.

 

[WesternLancer]

Reported elsewhere that there are no EMR HSTs in service between Friday and Monday; a look at RTT for Leeds supports that.

maybe getting the fleet re-liveried over those days

 

[eastmidschris]

Reported elsewhere that there are no EMR HSTs in service between Friday and Monday; a look at RTT for Leeds supports that.

Engineering north of Sheffield means they are unable to get between Sheffield and Neville Hill in Leeds.

 

[WesternLancer]

Engineering north of Sheffield means they are unable to get between Sheffield and Neville Hill in Leeds.

does that mean back to usual HST services on tuesday?

 

[Impey0711]

Checked on RTT the 16:20 off St Pancras is timed for a HST (110) but it stops at most intermediate stations to Leicester HST normally does market Harborough only

 

[Watershed]

Checked on RTT the 16:20 off St Pancras is timed for a HST (110) but it stops at most intermediate stations to Leicester HST normally does market Harborough only

The timing load doesn't necessarily correlate with what is diagrammed; a 222 is more than capable of matching the more leisurely HST 110mph timings. And the 2+6 HSTs can keep up fairly well with 222 timings if needed.

You need to see the diagrams to have any level of confidence as to what is going to turn up.

 

[nat67]

The timing load doesn't necessarily correlate with what is diagrammed; a 222 is more than capable of matching the more leisurely HST 110mph timings. And the 2+6 HSTs can keep up fairly well with 222 timings if needed.

You need to see the diagrams to have any level of confidence as to what is going to turn up.

And the timing load for HST’s is wrong on the MML anyway as they top 125mph.

 

[eastmidschris]

does that mean back to usual HST services on tuesday?

Yes back to normal plan on Tuesday

 

[43096]

Checked on RTT the 16:20 off St Pancras is timed for a HST (110) but it stops at most intermediate stations to Leicester HST normally does market Harborough only

I've already told you there are no HSTs out on EMR Friday through Monday if that's what you were hoping for.

 

[Impey0711]

No I get that I want a 180

 

[Western Trains]

I'm going spotting on the MML in a few days and to things I need clarifying.
1. Does the diagram above still remain in place.
2. Will there be any this Weekend?

 

[WesternLancer]

I'm going spotting on the MML in a few days and to things I need clarifying.
1. Does the diagram above still remain in place.
2. Will there be any this Weekend?

Best way to check is look at departures from Leeds from early morning on Real Times Trains 'detailed' option with operator TOC code EM - on the day you are interested in. If anything listed that is almost sure to be an HST - then link to its schedule

eg for sat see 06.34 and 07.40 departures from Leeds to St Pancras listed here

Realtime Trains | Departures from Leeds between 0200 and 0159 on 10/04/2021

Train information at Leeds between 0200 and 0159 on 10/04/2021. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

eg this train

Realtime Trains - 1B28 0740 Leeds to St Pancras International

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Then follow where the trains go (eg next departure from St P from the platform those arrive at and where they go - usually Cricklwood depot) then when they emerge from there etc

But check on the day if possible to see if it actually happened. If no HST from Leeds EMR would prob not use another train for the whole run, they would probably swap to a 222 and cancel the service north of Sheffield for example.

Hopefully some one can correct me or link to easier method / info if it is known!

 

[Western Trains]

Best way to check is look at departures from Leeds from early morning on Real Times Trains 'detailed' option with operator TOC code EM - on the day you are interested in. If anything listed that is almost sure to be an HST - then link to its schedule

eg for sat see 06.34 and 07.40 departures from Leeds to St Pancras listed here

Realtime Trains | Departures from Leeds between 0200 and 0159 on 10/04/2021

Train information at Leeds between 0200 and 0159 on 10/04/2021. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

eg this train

Realtime Trains - 1B28 0740 Leeds to St Pancras International

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Then follow where the trains go (eg next departure from St P from the platform those arrive at and where they go - usually Cricklwood depot) then when they emerge from there etc

But check on the day if possible to see if it actually happened. If no HST from Leeds EMR would prob not use another train for the whole run, they would probably swap to a 222 and cancel the service north of Sheffield for example.

Hopefully some one can correct me or link to easier method / info if it is known!

Thanks for the tips, Is there a way to tell on RTT if something is listed as a HST?
And Number 2, does that mean the 125 group timetable is invalid, as I had a look at it and it says: No booked Saturday diagrams

 

[43055]

Thanks for the tips, Is there a way to tell on RTT if something is listed as a HST?
And Number 2, does that mean the 125 group timetable is invalid, as I had a look at it and it says: No booked Saturday diagrams

Yes the 125group timetable would be out of date as the Saturday diagrams have now been reintroduced in the last month. On Saturday's they only do the Leeds services and stable at cricklewood in the day before returning to Leeds in the evening.

 

[Western Trains]

Thanks for the tips, Is there a way to tell on RTT if something is listed as a HST?

Yes the 125group timetable would be out of date as the Saturday diagrams have now been reintroduced in the last month. On Saturday's they only do the Leeds services and stable at cricklewood in the day before returning to Leeds in the evening.

I aim to go to the MML around the mid after noon (either day of the weekend) which days is my best bet?

 

[43055]

I aim to go to the MML around the mid after noon (either day of the weekend) which days is my best bet?

Sunday's as they are normally out all afternoon subject to engineering works etc.

 

[WesternLancer]

Thanks for the tips, Is there a way to tell on RTT if something is listed as a HST?

To answer your 1st question I do not think there is a way to tell on RTT if it is an HST (the 'timing load' info that says it is timed for an HST should not be interpreted as meaning it will be one, as has been mentioned / explained on these threads in the past - not that I am expecting / suggesting you dig that info out). So the clue is that the HSTs are maintained at Leeds Neville Hill and thus EM services from Leeds (or arriving at Leeds in the eve) are almost 100% certain to be made up of those HSTs as they come off / go on shed. There are only 3 sets now in service I think I am correct to say.

 

[Western Trains]

Right Thanks for the info:
Does anyone have any actual diagrams as I need an accurate time so I know when to go on Sunday

 

[43055]

Right Thanks for the info:
Does anyone have any actual diagrams as I need an accurate time so I know when to go on Sunday

These look to be the services for this Sunday. Unlike previous weeks it looks like the afternoon London - Nottingham and return won't be a HST.

Realtime Trains - 1C43 1051 Leeds to St Pancras International
stables at Cricklewood then forms:
Realtime Trains - 1F74 2042 St Pancras International to Leeds

Realtime Trains - 1C61 1355 Leeds to St Pancras International
forms:
Realtime Trains - 1F63 1832 St Pancras International to Leeds

 

[Western Trains]

Looks like I will go on Monday then, are the diagrams still the same as on 125, with the 1434 and 1534 being HSTs still?

And add to that, I have seen recent videos videos from stations so will I be allowed to trainspot on an open air station?