Riviera/Hosking and Mk2s

[Lankyline]

Isn't that the definition for a charter company?

Wrong choice of words on my part I can't find the original quote in Rail magazine but as far as I can remember they're not going the whole hog and setting up promoting tours........as yet!

 

[colchesterken]

I got myself thinking oops
Would it be viable for a heritage line to convert the mk2d s as at Southall to mk2a
They are a good modem design good bogies
Un plug air con, fit vac brakes, fit top light windows say about 1/2 window size so that enthusiasts can hang out of them. Good for 20 yrs service
Mk 1 s must be getting in short supply for the preservation movement

 

[Marklund]

fit top light windows say about 1/2 window size so that enthusiasts can hang out of them.

I guess the signs above the droplights not to lean out don't apply to enthusiasts then? :roll:

 

[CosherB]

I got myself thinking oops
Would it be viable for a heritage line to convert the mk2d s as at Southall to mk2a
They are a good modem design good bogies
Un plug air con, fit vac brakes, fit top light windows say about 1/2 window size so that enthusiasts can hang out of them. Good for 20 yrs service
Mk 1 s must be getting in short supply for the preservation movement

Nice idea, but economics of the madhouse. You'll also have the purists up in arms so the idea will upset everyone! :roll:

 

[Mordac]

Mk 1 s must be getting in short supply for the preservation movement

Don't worry, they'll have the 142s available shortly.

 

[fgwrich]

I got myself thinking oops
Would it be viable for a heritage line to convert the mk2d s as at Southall to mk2a
They are a good modem design good bogies
Un plug air con, fit vac brakes, fit top light windows say about 1/2 window size so that enthusiasts can hang out of them. Good for 20 yrs service
Mk 1 s must be getting in short supply for the preservation movement

Nice idea, but economics of the madhouse. You'll also have the purists up in arms so the idea will upset everyone! :roll:

Exactly. A Non Starter not least down to the fact you'd have to cut out and rebuild all the window frames as the earlier Mk2s were a different size and length. Ultimately, what would the point be?

 

[alexl92]

How many Mk2A/B/Cs (ie pre-aircons?) still exist? I know Wensleydale have some and WCRC have too but I can't recall seeing many in photos etc. Or are they just not used much?

Also, I thought the MK2 aircons needed ETS for the air con... so how can they operate in a rake of Steam-hauled MK1s? I didn't see a Generator van in the CPFC charter the other day?

 

[Tempest3K]

How many Mk2A/B/Cs (ie pre-aircons?) still exist? I know Wensleydale have some and WCRC have too but I can't recall seeing many in photos etc. Or are they just not used much?

GCR(N) have a few MK2A's & a MK2B, not currently in traffic for various reasons

 

[dubscottie]

I got myself thinking oops
Would it be viable for a heritage line to convert the mk2d s as at Southall to mk2a
They are a good modem design good bogies
Un plug air con, fit vac brakes, fit top light windows say about 1/2 window size so that enthusiasts can hang out of them. Good for 20 yrs service
Mk 1 s must be getting in short supply for the preservation movement

RPSI did it.. the windows on the 2d's stayed the same but are now steam heat..

 

[jopsuk]

I got myself thinking oops
Would it be viable for a heritage line to convert the mk2d s as at Southall to mk2a
They are a good modem design good bogies
Un plug air con, fit vac brakes, fit top light windows say about 1/2 window size so that enthusiasts can hang out of them. Good for 20 yrs service
Mk 1 s must be getting in short supply for the preservation movement

If openable windows were retrofitted to any stock they would be designed so that people cannot hang out of them, that's an absolute certainty

 

[matt]

How many Mk2A/B/Cs (ie pre-aircons?) still exist? I know Wensleydale have some and WCRC have too but I can't recall seeing many in photos etc. Or are they just not used much?

Also, I thought the MK2 aircons needed ETS for the air con... so how can they operate in a rake of Steam-hauled MK1s? I didn't see a Generator van in the CPFC charter the other day?

The 67 on the back provided the ETS

 

[Defiance149]

Another three coaches from Burton to Crewe this past week - 5797, DB977169 and another, believed to be 4362. Anyone noticed a really scruffy pale blue Mk.1 on the DMD?
http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1329

 

[WestCountry]

How many Mk2A/B/Cs (ie pre-aircons?) still exist? I know Wensleydale have some and WCRC have too but I can't recall seeing many in photos etc. Or are they just not used much?

Mid-Norfolk have about a dozen in two rakes, used on almost every non-DMU service.

 

[sd0733]

Another three coaches from Burton to Crewe this past week - 5797, DB977169 and another, believed to be 4362. Anyone noticed a really scruffy pale blue Mk.1 on the DMD?
http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1329

The first 2 are definitely at crewe this week but not noticed the mk1 in the picture. There have veen 4 arrivals though, a scruffy maroon mk 1 and a pale green undercoated early mk2 plus the 2 you mentioned.

 

[theblackwatch]

The first 2 are definitely at crewe this week but not noticed the mk1 in the picture. There have veen 4 arrivals though, a scruffy maroon mk 1 and a pale green undercoated early mk2 plus the 2 you mentioned.

Sounds like this is one of them:
http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=4398

 

[sd0733]

Sounds like this is one of them:
http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=4398

Yes it looks like that. Also just had a look at the info on 4362 and it says its maroon on the other side so could well be that after all.

As a side point maybe its time this thread was split/renamed as its no longer really about Riviera coaches at all.

 

[158722]

As a side point maybe its time this thread was split/renamed as its no longer really about Riviera coaches at all.

Just to bring it back in, 3356, 3364, 3390 & 3397 are the four reported as being repainted B&G at RVEL - all former Great Briton set coaches.

 

[Defiance149]

Also just had a look at the info on 4362 and it says its maroon on the other side so could well be that after all.

16204 arrived at Crewe from the Mid Hants last week as well, suspect that's the maroon Mk.1 http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1649
AFAIK, there were only three moves from Burton so 13508 rather than 4362 presumably.

 

[sd0733]

Theres been a shunt round at Crewe so the coaches that arrived recently can no longer be seen. But while at work today an old RES mk1 arrived, 94522 I think it was, fairly sure that was moved away from Crewe a year or so ago.

 

[CosherB]

WNXX reporting that the four ex-Great Briton FO carriages (3397, 3356, 3390 and 3364) repainted into blue and grey at RVEL Derby have been moved back to Burton. The photos posted show a high quality finish has been achieved, typical of the work at Derby at the moment. Going the other way are a further four Mk2s for repainting, two VTWC TSOs and a scruffy VTWC BSO, plus and even scruffier Blue Pullman TSO.

 

[CosherB]

On a slight tangent, does anyone know why Arlington has repainted Riviera BSO 9527 in ScotRail livery (minus contrasting doors)?

http://www.carlswatson.com/Trains/Galleries%202016/Galleries%20201607/20160718ArlingtonEastleighWorks/mk2bso9527eastleighworks18thjuly2016.html

 

[Harbornite]

On a slight tangent, does anyone know why Arlington has repainted Riviera BSO 9527 in ScotRail livery (minus contrasting doors)?

http://www.carlswatson.com/Trains/Galleries%202016/Galleries%20201607/20160718ArlingtonEastleighWorks/mk2bso9527eastleighworks18thjuly2016.html

I heard it was replacing another coach which is now going to Northern.
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WNXX reporting that the four ex-Great Briton FO carriages (3397, 3356, 3390 and 3364) repainted into blue and grey at RVEL Derby have been moved back to Burton. The photos posted show a high quality finish has been achieved, typical of the work at Derby at the moment. Going the other way are a further four Mk2s for repainting, two VTWC TSOs and a scruffy VTWC BSO, plus and even scruffier Blue Pullman TSO.

They look excellent, a nice change to maroon.

 

[fgwrich]

On a slight tangent, does anyone know why Arlington has repainted Riviera BSO 9527 in ScotRail livery (minus contrasting doors)?

http://www.carlswatson.com/Trains/Galleries%202016/Galleries%20201607/20160718ArlingtonEastleighWorks/mk2bso9527eastleighworks18thjuly2016.html

It's since had the silver strip of vinyl placed over the dotty doors - so now matches the rest of the rake with contrasting doors.

 

[randyrippley]

talking of MkII coaches.........many years ago I rode in a MkII compartment coach which had the full depth windows of a/b/c stock but completely sealed single-pane glazing units. No opening pane at all. As far as I can remember it was the only such coach in the set and I think it was on a Waterloo-Exeter run. Any idea what is was? Were any of the C-stock ever actually converted to air-conditioning?

 

[CosherB]

Three more freshly painted Mk2s in B&G back at Nemesis - 3303, 3314 and 6067. More B&G repaints to come apparently .....

 

[Ash Bridge]

talking of MkII coaches.........many years ago I rode in a MkII compartment coach which had the full depth windows of a/b/c stock but completely sealed single-pane glazing units. No opening pane at all. As far as I can remember it was the only such coach in the set and I think it was on a Waterloo-Exeter run. Any idea what is was? Were any of the C-stock ever actually converted to air-conditioning?

This sounds like 13396 it was a mk2 FK built around 1964 that was experimentally fitted with full air-conditioning equipment during 1967 and trialled on the ECML, eventually finding its way into the departmental fleet numbered 975290.

 

[Cowley]

This sounds like 13396 it was a mk2 FK built around 1964 that was experimentally fitted with full air-conditioning equipment during 1967 and trialled on the ECML, eventually finding its way into the departmental fleet numbered 975290.

I did a search for that as I'd not heard of it before and Google bought up a load of pictures of handbags, which I was only slightly interested in. But then I found this: A photo of 975290 at Eastleigh by Shed83a.
Have you got a photo of it in BR days Mr Bridge I wonder?

 

[Cowley]

Just to be clear this is a: Rare Coach 13396 (I kid you not!) Bonnie Orange Leather/straw fold over shoulder bag. Only $278.
I may have gone a bit off topic here

 

[Cowley]

Three more freshly painted Mk2s in B&G back at Nemesis - 3303, 3314 and 6067. More B&G repaints to come apparently .....

Really looking forward to seeing a full rake in B&G. That'll bring back lots of memories. The 50 tour coming our way in a few weeks will be utilising them I believe, is that correct?

 

[Ash Bridge]

I did a search for that as I'd not heard of it before and Google bought up a load of pictures of handbags, which I was only slightly interested in. But then I found this: A photo of 975290 at Eastleigh by Shed83a.
Have you got a photo of it in BR days Mr Bridge I wonder?

Just to be clear this is a: Rare Coach 13396 (I kid you not!) Bonnie Orange Leather/straw fold over shoulder bag. Only $278.
I may have gone a bit off topic here

Firstly, is Mrs Cowley aware of your apparent handbag fetish Mr C?

Sadly I don't think I do have any shots of it, so the question is was it just the compartment windows that were sealed as the ones on the corridor side are clearly not, I wonder if the OP can remember?