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RPI's ineffective. What can they do?

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HSTEd

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Beyond gating every single station, even the unmanned ones, I can't really see any way around this.

How many unmanned stations are there on the network?
Two staff members working full time at each station (two shifts with one person on each one, using an Avantix and standing by the barriers).

Sounds pricey.
 
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Beyond gating every single station, even the unmanned ones, I can't really see any way around this.

How many unmanned stations are there on the network?
Two staff members working full time at each station (two shifts with one person on each one, using an Avantix and standing by the barriers).

Sounds pricey.

You mean six, two at a time (security & safety), and 5 days a week. Each with holidays to cover.
 

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You mean six, two at a time (security & safety), and 5 days a week. Each with holidays to cover.

Why would you need two staff?

An Unmanned station doesn't need a "safety" concerned staff member, why should a minimally manned one do so?
If it is such a problem give them all GSM-R radios that can group call with other staff elsewhere on the network.
 

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Why would you need two staff?

An Unmanned station doesn't need a "safety" concerned staff member, why should a minimally manned one do so?
If it is such a problem give them all GSM-R radios that can group call with other staff elsewhere on the network.

When you're getting badly verbally abused by someone, and you fear for your safety, and your nearest colleague is ten miles away down the line... that's not the sort of situation people should be in!
 

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When you're getting badly verbally abused by someone, and you fear for your safety, and your nearest colleague is ten miles away down the line... that's not the sort of situation people should be in!

Many of the stations which are staffed in these parts only have one person on duty. I have not seen any demands for these stations to be double manned, so presumably the staff there are content with the situation.
 

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Staffed with a person on their own stood at a gateline with no non-public area to go into, or staffed with a person on their own sat behind half an inch of glass and a steel security door though?
 

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The latter would be powerless to stop someone barrier jumping though.

Barriers would stop casual fare dodging, but I doubt they will ever stop determined fare dodgers who will always find weaknesses and loopholes to exploit.
 

chuckles1066

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Barriers would stop casual fare dodging, but I doubt they will ever stop determined fare dodgers who will always find weaknesses and loopholes to exploit.

Like the guy who crossed the tracks at Filton AbbeyWood back in June?

Short of electrifying the lines, I'm not sure how you deal with a sharp-suited, slicked-haired individual like that, particularly when he gives a triumphant middle fingered salute to the uniforms on the bridge?

Seeing as he is obviously an MOD employee, CCTV? Pass it onto the MOD?

Is there even CCTV at Filton AbbeyWood?
 

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. Lastly I am sure some bean counter somewhere has looked at fare evasion and decided on a model that sees a certain percentage being written off due to the high costs in collecting it. This I am sure is partly offset by the quiet stringent penalties and fines being imposed for what can be classified as minor transgressions. Also there will be an element of customers having to pay twice for misuse of advances and offpeaks etc which will also help counter the loss due to deliberate evasion.

In order to do this TOC's have to be prepared to play to letter of the law in enforcing AP tickets & other ticket restrictions, regardless of bad press or numerous appearances on Watchdog.
What is the point of having issuing new tickets only for customer relations then to refund costs so as to avoid bad publicity, which then gives passenger the idea they were right & staff were in the wrong.
TOC's have created an illusation that if automated ticket gates are installed then no more fare evasion but they cure minor problem of short distance ticketless travel but created a bigger one in having incorrect ticket for train travelling on.
In days of manned barriers staff could check for correct railcards to accompany the ticket & stamp AP tickets that passenger had been advised of restrictions so if they then chose to board alternative train & if caught by guard they had less grounds to appeal on. This was positive form of conflict avoidence as manned ticket barrier could deny travel so holding trump card where as once onboard that trump card as been lost & passenger can argue to the nenth degree.
 
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