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[route:oxford]

Anyone know what rescued the 158 service to Edinburgh south of Stirling this morning (following air pressure brake issue).

Apparently it was 3 carriage, really old inside with low-down seats and green tables.

Passengers were able to walk through from the 158...

 

[scotsman]

Anyone know what rescued the 158 service to Edinburgh south of Stirling this morning (following air pressure brake issue).

Apparently it was 3 carriage, really old inside with low-down seats and green tables.

Passengers were able to walk through from the 158...

Class 156 by the sounds of things.

 

[me123]

Updates:

• North Clyde services are starting and terminating at Bellgrove. There are no services between Airdrie and Bellgrove, and no replacement buses.
• All trains are cancelled between Lanark and Motherwell, and no replacement buses
• Services are not calling at Bellshill, and are operating non-stop between Uddingston and Motherwell via the WCML
• Signalling problems between Motherwell and Partick (with little other information available)

Note that all Caledonian Sleeper services will be cancelled this evening.

 

[CarterUSM]

Class 156 by the sounds of things.

Sounds like a 156 except for the 3 carriage part.
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I know conditions are poor, but that is a week that some routes have had no service, i would be pretty angry if i were a regular passenger.

 

[scotsman]

Sounds like a 156 except for the 3 carriage part.

Yes, but you should know there's no 3 car stock with corridor connections in the fleet!

 

[MadCommuter]

After a horrendous week last week, I was very glad that ScotRail managed to run shuttles back to Motherwell last night. Albeit I still had a 2 hour walk to Hamilton, but at least I got home. Apparently some 9 car trains were shuttling to Motherwell last night.

 

[route:oxford]

Yes, but you should know there's no 3 car stock with corridor connections in the fleet!

I did wonder about that bit...

So couldn't quite decide if it was one of the 2+2+2 156 units that had been converted into a 3+3 that used to run on the west highland line...

Or

Some form of Network Rail inspection unit. I was told that it was full of men in orange hi-viz jackets.

 

[sprinterguy]

The only Network Rail unit that could run in multiple with a 158 would be the track recording Sprinter 950001, and that doesn't have corridor connections.

Sounds most like a 156, I suppose it's not impossible that a three carriage unit has been formed up if one carriage of one 156 is knackered due to some sort of snow problem.

 

[me123]

More info:

• Glasgow Central to East Kilbride now hourly, with services at xx:48 from Central and xx:27 from EK
• Glasgow Central to Barrhead now hourly, with services at xx:27 from Central and xx:58 from Barrhead
• Glasgow Central to Kilmarnock now hourly, with services at xx:12 from Central and xx:58 from Kilmarnock
• There are now no services between Milngavie and Westerton. I do not yet know what's happening to Motherwell-Milngavie services via Hamilton.

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As we head into the evening rush hour:

• Glasgow Central-Newton services all go via Mount Florida, with nothing via Maxwell Park at all.
• All services to Cumbernauld and Falkirk Grahamston have been withdrawn.
• Services are now able to operate from Airdrie, but express services from Milngavie will be cancelled.
• Aberdeen-Inverness is disrupted, but still operating.
• Services seem to be operating again to Milngavie on the Argyle Line (but not on the North Clydes)

 

[Bittern]

Trains seem to be running to almost no timetable today! They're like showing up whenever.

Oh, and guess who got stranded at work last night? Probably around half of the bloody population of Scotland, including me. Trains were on from EK, but the Argyle Line was in such a state I didn't risk it. Buses were all off, but thankfully some friends offered me a place to spend the night and I walked from EK to Cambuslang today with the intent of either catching a train home, or continue walking. Thankfully, 318252 rolled up just as I was ready to leave.

 

[Failed Unit]

Sounds like a 156 except for the 3 carriage part.
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I know conditions are poor, but that is a week that some routes have had no service, i would be pretty angry if i were a regular passenger.

With mainly short trains on the routes that are - 3 car sardine runs on Edinburgh to Glasgow with the odd 6 car if you are lucky! I hope they do the decent thing and extend flex-passes. Steve M didn't sound too good on the BBC on Monday. "we may consider compensating customers"

 

[90019]

Well, I have to give credit to ScotRail for getting me back to Stirling today. Quite a few of the Dunblane trains were cancelled, but I managed to get on the 1533 which was run by 156474 I think. It had a fault which meant we got stuck at Linlithgow for 25 minutes, the guard made a few announcements to let us know when we would be moving, which was good. I think it was a problem with the doors as they jammed open at Polmont and had to be forced shut, after that the inner end doors were locked out of use. Eventually the train had to be terminated at Stirling over 45 minutes late, but at least it got that far.

 

[Failed Unit]

I don't know what are better sliding doors or plug doors. The 156 among other sliding door trains suffer from snow getting in the door rails and freezing with the wind chill of the moving train. I guess plug doors don't have that problem but the have other challenges.

 

[MadCommuter]

Overhead wire problems between Rutherglen and Motherwell appear to have caused around a 2 hour gap in services if Journeycheck is to be believed.

 

[Bittern]

I checked live departures this morning, and there was a service to Motherwell via Hamilton apparently running 165 minutes late!

 

[Failed Unit]

I think for me now the most annoying thing is that we won't get any information from Scotrail about thier plans for tomorrow until very late tonight (if lucky) or if tomorrow morning. If you live at Bathgate do you plan to go by train or not? If you live at Linlithgow is it worth trying to get a train to Edinburgh as a 3 coach train will mean that you have no chance of getting on board?

I really hope that Scotrail learn lessons from this, I know things change quickly but my biggest critism is information. For example on Saturday Edinburgh - Glasgow trains stopped at Edinburgh Park (and were 6 coaches all day long -shock horror). no where was this publish so how did anyone know that might live near Edinburgh Park know thier stations had trains stopping there. Saturday afternoon trains to Stirling started operating, again this was not published anywhere so had about 6 people on it beyond Polmont.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

I think for me now the most annoying thing is that we won't get any information from Scotrail about thier plans for tomorrow until very late tonight (if lucky) or if tomorrow morning. .

Dunbar re-opens tomorrow.

 

[90019]

If you live at Linlithgow is it worth trying to get a train to Edinburgh as a 3 coach train will mean that you have no chance of getting on board?

Wait for a Dunblane train. It'll be either 2 or 4 coaches, but it'll be quieter than a Queen Street one

 

[Failed Unit]

Dunbar re-opens tomorrow.

It does, if you look on national rails website right now (2120) you get a timetable for East Coast, a list of amendments for XC both stating Dunbar will re-open, however the Scotrail tab does not mention anything about tomorrow, surely it can't be true that they don't have a plan themselves yet? If they are running to Bathgate the must have diagramming of crew and units worked out by now?

Going further off topic it is odd that XC haven't produced a revised timetable that they can stick to like East Coast rather than have mega delays on most services as they are also subject to speed restrictions.
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Wait for a Dunblane train. It'll be either 2 or 4 coaches, but it'll be quieter than a Queen Street one

Even a 2 coach one May give it a try tomorrow, nothing to lose if I don't get on the ex-Queen street service as they are not that far behind.

 

[90019]

Even a 2 coach one May give it a try tomorrow, nothing to lose if I don't get on the ex-Queen street service as they are not that far behind.

I find they do tend to be quieter than the Queen Street ones. I've yet to see anyone having to stand on ones I've been on.

 

[Failed Unit]

I find they do tend to be quieter than the Queen Street ones. I've yet to see anyone having to stand on ones I've been on.

I have seen them seriously over crowded as well but when a 2 car 158 follows a 3 car 170 which people can't physically board that is not surprising! It was in the peak however. Not sure if everyone got on at Edinburgh park.

Scotrails site at the time of posting still has nothing about today's service just yesterday's. Luckily network rails does. Edinburgh - dunblane missing so normal service perhaps?

 

[MadCommuter]

No service via Hamilton at the minute.

 

[me123]

I heard on the radio that a points failure in the tunnels at Queen Street is stopping all services (presumably they mean the High Level station). Should be fun.

 

[PaulLothian]

Glasgow QS to Edinburgh still having problems - first train of day apparently unloaded passengers at Lenzie, and allegedly continued to Edinburgh 'to clear the track'. Gave up attempt to get next train as it was confidently expected it would be at already at capacity with its own passengers and the Lenzie train-load!

At the nearby bus stop there were about 80 people waiting for the next (long-overdue) bus from Falkirk to Edinburgh.

It's not just the trains...

 

[MadCommuter]

I've given up at Hamilton and have come home. Not worth the risk of not being able to get home tonight

 

[Failed Unit]

Edinburgh to Glasgow a nightmare this morning. 0630 failed twice with low air pressure not sure if it made it to Glasgow in the end. Waited for the ex 0639 Perth service. 2 car 158 wedged full. No sign of trains after that. Gave up. The radio is there saying use public transport but the queues for the 38 bus are very long!
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Linlithgow station is closed so passengers must get to Polmont. How is a good question.

 

[First ScotRail]

Linlithgow station is closed so passengers must get to Polmont. How is a good question.

Problems with the temperature resulting in break problems.

 

[Failed Unit]

Hopefully tomorrow we will see a drastic improvement then. I know it is only -13 out there but have no idea what the real temperature is for the units once wind chill is considered.

 

[kylemore]

Does anyone know whether airdrie/bathgate opening will go ahead? It would be very embarrassing to have a big opening shindig just as Scotland's railways are in a state of collapse, surely the "suits" will want to stay in hiding!

 

[me123]

I believe so. But there won't be a grand opening (which was scheduled for Friday). Instead, I believe they plan to run an hourly shuttle between Edinburgh and Airdrie, and retain full service between Edinburgh and Bathgate, and between Airdrie and Glasgow (and Milngavie/Helensburgh/Balloch).

(Info came from Scot-rail.co.uk, and I don't think it's 100% certain yet; I suppose we'll find out in a week!).