ScotRail cancelling services July 2024

[kw12]

Each grade gets the same % increase thats agreed by their respective unions regardless.

A cash underpin could be used, where everyone gets a pay rise of at least £x, and the % applies for those staff where that gives a rise greater than the underpin. Such an approach was used for this year's pay rise for London Underground staff.

 

[najaB]

A cash underpin could be used, where everyone gets a pay rise of at least £x, and the % applies for those staff where that gives a rise greater than the underpin. Such an approach was used for this year's pay rise for London Underground staff.

That's what I had in mind. So, for example: 2% or £1,000pa, whichever is greater.

 

[Peter0124]

A 90 minute gap between eastbound services on the Central Low Level Line, on TRNSMT night. Eek.

Realtime Trains | Departures from Glasgow Central between 2100 and 0050 on 12/07/2024

Train information at Glasgow Central between 2100 and 0050 on 12/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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They've been bizarrely running that Rutherglen terminator too instead of reinstating the ones that go further (and it runs non stop from Argyle Street!)

 

[snookertam]

A 90 minute gap between eastbound services on the Central Low Level Line, on TRNSMT night. Eek.

Realtime Trains | Departures from Glasgow Central between 2100 and 0050 on 12/07/2024

Train information at Glasgow Central between 2100 and 0050 on 12/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

They've been bizarrely running that Rutherglen terminator too instead of reinstating the ones that go further (and it runs non stop from Argyle Street!)

Probably because it’s a Yoker based driver rather than a Motherwell driver. Everything done in this timetable will be within the very tight constraints of the limited drivers available. What the public needs is a very, very distant second.

ScotRail are also struggling to cover the emergency timetable now as well. Not sure if even that relies on a certain amount of overtime, or if there’s increased sickness now as well.

 

[GordonT]

Probably because it’s a Yoker based driver rather than a Motherwell driver. Everything done in this timetable will be within the very tight constraints of the limited drivers available. What the public needs is a very, very distant second.

ScotRail are also struggling to cover the emergency timetable now as well. Not sure if even that relies on a certain amount of overtime, or if there’s increased sickness now as well.

Unlikely to be much slack for covering unforseen short notice absence which can occur for various reasons.

 

[Scotrail314209]

Tomorrow looks particularly dire.

Two hourly gap between 1100 and 1300 on the Edinburgh to Glasgow, Fife services looking to be sporadic with Leven only getting 6 services (1017, 1217, 1417, 1817, 1915 and 2216).

Tweedbank has a four hour gap in the evenings with the line via Dunfermline City only getting 4 trains towards Glenrothes with 5 towards Edinburgh.

It’s shocking that things have gotten this bad.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Nationalisation isn't the panacea people want it it be on here. You are locked in to public sector pay rises but the franchisees had to balance commercial interest and drivers were fundamental to their delivery which is why you never saw too much industrial action. Id be surprised you will see the restoration of any of these services for the foreseeable future now but just tweaks up to deal with bad gaps if and when additional resources become available.

 

[GordonT]

Tomorrow looks particularly dire.

Two hourly gap between 1100 and 1300 on the Edinburgh to Glasgow, Fife services looking to be sporadic with Leven only getting 6 services (1017, 1217, 1417, 1817, 1915 and 2216).

Tweedbank has a four hour gap in the evenings with the line via Dunfermline City only getting 4 trains towards Glenrothes with 5 towards Edinburgh.

It’s shocking that things have gotten this bad.

Particularly galling that the services which were resurrected from oblivion at enormous expense and to considerable public acclaim i.e. Tweedbank and Leven are amongst the first to get trashed.

 

[najaB]

Particularly galling that the services which were resurrected from oblivion at enormous expense and to considerable public acclaim i.e. Tweedbank and Leven are amongst the first to get trashed.

To be fair, I think pretty much every line is seeing cancellations. Not to mention that both the Borders Railway and Levenmouth Branch fall firmly in the 'nice to have' category when compared to core routes like Edinburgh-Glasgow.

 

[Carntyne]

Tomorrow's timetable is beyond disgraceful. Two-hour gaps on the E&G, Airdrie-Bathgate, and no trains on other central-belt routes. ScotRail barely saying a word about it and Transport Scotland doesn't even appear to have acknowledged it.

 

[Scotrail314209]

Tomorrow's timetable is beyond disgraceful. Two-hour gaps on the E&G, Airdrie-Bathgate, and no trains on other central-belt routes. ScotRail barely saying a word about it and Transport Scotland doesn't even appear to have acknowledged it.

Wemyss Bay gets hit with a fair few gaps too, but everywhere else in Strathclyde is broadly hourly it seems. It seems that the evenings are getting hit with the long gaps, Neilston doesn’t have anything for four hours. East Kilbride doesn’t get anything for three hours while Largs and Gourock also suffer two hour gaps (and RTT shows that the first trains after these gaps are only 3 or 4 cars).

I definitely wouldn’t like to be travelling tomorrow as probably everything will be full.

 

[Scotrail84]

Wemyss Bay gets hit with a fair few gaps too, but everywhere else in Strathclyde is broadly hourly it seems. It seems that the evenings are getting hit with the long gaps, Neilston doesn’t have anything for four hours. East Kilbride doesn’t get anything for three hours while Largs and Gourock also suffer two hour gaps (and RTT shows that the first trains after these gaps are only 3 or 4 cars).

I definitely wouldn’t like to be travelling tomorrow as probably everything will be full.

Gettting to and from the TRNSMT festival will be a nightmare today. Its the Edinburgh festival that will be a worry to the Scots Gov, there are always additional late night services to Queen St, Perth, Dundee, North Berwick etc and theres no way these will run in the current climate.

 

[Essan]

Looks like Fort William is down to just 2 normal trains a day next week (evening departure from Glasgow and afternoon departure from Mallaig/Ft William not running). Although tickets are available for the Sleeper - are they adding extra coaches for standard passengers to/from Glasgow?

 

[Falcon1200]

Neilston doesn’t have anything for four hours.

The biggest (planned at time of writing!) gap I can see for Neilston today, Sunday, is two hours, a couple of times, which is still desperately poor for what is normally a half-hourly service. Maybe Drivers have taken the day off to support Spain in the Euros Final, as per the imprecations of our delightful National newspaper - What, if anything, are they saying about the situation, I wonder.

More to the point, what if anything have John Swinney or Fiona Hyslop said?

 

[Scotrail84]

Looks like Fort William is down to just 2 normal trains a day next week (evening departure from Glasgow and afternoon departure from Mallaig/Ft William not running). Although tickets are available for the Sleeper - are they adding extra coaches for standard passengers to/from Glasgow?

The sleeper can't add any additional seated coaches because they don't have any and it would be very problematic for the onboard computer system if they tried to.

 

[Tester]

The sleeper can't add any additional seated coaches because they don't have any and it would be very problematic for the onboard computer system if they tried to.

They could let the punters sit in unsold/vacated sleeper berths.

Ok incoming pigs at three o'clock high

 

[northscots]

They could let the punters sit in unsold/vacated sleeper berths.

Ok incoming pigs at three o'clock high

Sleeper sells out months is advance

 

[Essan]

Sleeper sells out months is advance

But Scotrail are currently selling standard tickets between all stations on the WHL for travel on it .....

 

[northscots]

But Scotrail are currently selling standard tickets between all stations on the WHL for travel on it .....

Not for sleeper berths as the poster suggested.

 

[Essan]

Not for sleeper berths as the poster suggested.

I don't think he was being quite serious.

But the question remains: where will these passengers go? As far as I know, Scotrail don't normally advertise tickets for the sleeper service?

 

[Scotrail84]

But Scotrail are currently selling standard tickets between all stations on the WHL for travel on it .....

Scotrail can sell as many tickets as they want for journeys between Fort William and Glasgow but if you do not have a seat reservation for one of the 31 seats on the sleeper you won't be getting on it. Sleeper is a mandatory reservation service and it always has been, its clearly stated on ticket sellers websites.

I don't think he was being quite serious.

But the question remains: where will these passengers go? As far as I know, Scotrail don't normally advertise tickets for the sleeper service?

Where will they go? On a bus or in a taxi to their destination at their own expense if they dot have reservations for the Caley sleeper.

 

[Essan]

Scotrail can sell as many tickets as they want for journeys between Fort William and Glasgow but if you do not have a seat reservation for one of the 31 seats on the sleeper you won't be getting on it. Sleeper is a mandatory reservation service and it always has been, its clearly stated on ticket sellers websites.


Where will they go? On a bus or in a taxi to their destination at their own expense if they dot have reservations for the Caley sleeper.

It may be a moot point given that the afternoon Scotrail service now seems to be running again.

But there is nothing about any restrictions for using the sleeper when you book on the Scotrail website, just that you need a reservation to take a cycle on it - so it appears I can take a bike from Tulloch to Bridge of Orchy on the sleeper .... But maybe that's always been the case and I've just never noticed before? Seems odd though.

 

[Scotrail84]

It may be a moot point given that the afternoon Scotrail service now seems to be running again.

But there is nothing about any restrictions for using the sleeper when you book on the Scotrail website, just that you need a reservation to take a cycle on it - so it appears I can take a bike from Tulloch to Bridge of Orchy on the sleeper .... But maybe that's always been the case and I've just never noticed before? Seems odd though.

Showing sold out on the ScotRail website when I enter the same journey details.

 

[Essan]

Showing sold out on the ScotRail website when I enter the same journey details.

It is for tonight, but still showing available for tomorrow.

 

[Furrball]

3 car operated services on Edinburgh to Helensburgh Central services

And for some reason 7 in lieu of 8 on the main Edinburgh Glasgow route

 

[Peter0124]

3 car operated services on Edinburgh to Helensburgh Central services

And for some reason 7 in lieu of 8 on the main Edinburgh Glasgow route

Same for Lanark-Glasgow, and on seeing it pass Newton, the aisles were full of ppl standing.

 

[Scotrail84]

3 car operated services on Edinburgh to Helensburgh Central services

And for some reason 7 in lieu of 8 on the main Edinburgh Glasgow route

I can't work that one out either, there should be a surplus of 4 car sets on a Sunday, more than enough to form 8 car sets all day really.

It is for tonight, but still showing available for tomorrow.

Yeah, if you go through the booking process it automatically reserves you a seat in the sleeper seated coach. If there was no seats available it would show as sold out on the ScotRail website.

 

[Butts]

Nightmare getting back from Uphall to Falkirk Grahamston Tonight for the footie.

Got someone to drop me at Edinburgh Park as Helensburgh Line subject to arbitrary cancellations .

Two out of three Dunblanes cancelled but luckily I went for the middle one which ran 1742 from EDP to FKG.

 

[ld0595]

Looks like they're struggling to even keep the reduced Sunday timetable running. Cancellations throughout the day to Neilston, Alloa, Fife Circle, Borders and E-G services.

 

[glasgowniteowl]

Looks like transpennine are capitalising on the reduction, looks like they are running an evening service edinburgh to glasgow central during the fringe advance tickets already on sale