Single and Return tickets between Moorgate and Old Street on Great Northern (Govia).

[swt class 450]

Just wondering is it possible to buy normal single and return tickets for use on Great Northern (Govia) trains between Moorgate and Old Street? I have been looking on TVMs and on BR Fares and for some reason these tickets dont appear to be sold which seems very strange?

 

[High Dyke]

On BR Fares select Old Street Underground, not Old Street, and you get a whole range of fares including singles and returns.

http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=MOG&dest=0665

 

[Blindtraveler]

Are they cheeper than the appropriate Oyster or contactless cost on iether GN or LU?

 

[CyrusWuff]

No, there are no differential fares between Moorgate and Old Street, as their respective gatelines have no way to determine whether you travelled on GTR or LU between the two.

 

[adrock1976]

Am I right in thinking that they are also interavailable fares, meaning that you can use either the Underground or the deep level Northern City Line?

 

[transmanche]

Am I right in thinking that they are also interavailable fares, meaning that you can use either the Underground or the deep level Northern City Line?

Yes, AFAIU they've been inter-available ever since BR took over running the Northern City line.

 

[swt class 450]

Thanks for all the info. Much appreciated. Also out of interest do Moorgate and Old Street have any normal TVMs to buy National Rail tickets?

 

[jon0844]

Thanks for all the info. Much appreciated. Also out of interest do Moorgate and Old Street have any normal TVMs to buy National Rail tickets?

Can't speak for now but they never used to at Old Street (don't know about Moorgate).

It is what got me a PF (overturned no problem) when I couldn't get ticket extensions because the ticket office, which is of course now closed, couldn't sell tickets outside London and neither could the LU machines. Of course you can then buy at the destination, but someone disagreed.

My feeling is they probably haven't installed machines. There is very limited branding for the train services at all.

 

[Blindtraveler]

I wonder if this section of line will in future be quietly closed once serious refurbishment etc of tunnels, track and stations is needed and or when 3rd rail is finally phased out?

 

[James H]

They've just ordered a new fleet of trains for the line (class 717) so its future seems fairly assured.

 

[greatkingrat]

On BR Fares select Old Street Underground, not Old Street, and you get a whole range of fares including singles and returns.

http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=MOG&dest=0665

Those fares are actually London Terminals - Zone U1 fares and are valid to any zone 1 tube station, not Old Street in particular.

 

[nicobobinus]

Thanks for all the info. Much appreciated. Also out of interest do Moorgate and Old Street have any normal TVMs to buy National Rail tickets?

Neither do, just the usual LUL ticket machines.

 

[Hadders]

I wonder if this section of line will in future be quietly closed once serious refurbishment etc of tunnels, track and stations is needed and or when 3rd rail is finally phased out?

Do you know how busy it gets in the peaks - absolutely wedged.

 

[jopsuk]

I wonder if this section of line will in future be quietly closed once serious refurbishment etc of tunnels, track and stations is needed and or when 3rd rail is finally phased out?

A new fleet of trains and all-day every day service improvements (bascially diverting evening and weekend services from Kings Cross) suggest otherwise

 

[AM9]

I wonder if this section of line will in future be quietly closed .... when 3rd rail is finally phased out?

Why would that happen before the whole of LU is declared closed?

 

[swt class 450]

So am i correct in thinking that there are no actual "Moorgate" to "Old Street" tickets available? So only "Z1 to Z1" or "London Terminals to Z1" tickets are available for this journey?

 

[Tetchytyke]

So am i correct in thinking that there are no actual "Moorgate" to "Old Street" tickets available?

Correct, that fare is set by London Underground so it would be a zone one single fare. A bargain at £4.50.

 

[transmanche]

So am i correct in thinking that there are no actual "Moorgate" to "Old Street" tickets available? So only "Z1 to Z1" or "London Terminals to Z1" tickets are available for this journey?

AFAIR London Underground fares have applied on that route for decades, in much the same way as LU fares were charged for journeys on the Waterloo and City line long before that route transferred to LU.

Correct, that fare is set by London Underground so it would be a zone one single fare. A bargain at £4.50.

Or if you don't want to pay the 'idiot tax', it's just £2.40.

 

[maniacmartin]

Or a sub-15 minute walk straight down a single road

 

[swt class 450]

Cash fares within Greater London must be the most expensive in the UK. It seems rediculous to charge £4.90 for a Single or charge £9.80 for a Return for a journey of just one stop such as Moorgate to Old Street.

 

[Hadders]

The cash fare is effectively a penalty. They want you to use Oyster or contactless so fares are priced accordingly.

Cash is seen as a thing of the past on TfL.

 

[jopsuk]

Remember that this line was, up until 1975, run by London Underground. British Rail only started operations in 1976.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

Or a sub-15 minute walk straight down a single road

That was my thought too - its about 700 metres with wide pavements, including several places to shelter from rain or places to sit in the sun, depending on the weather.

 

[jon0844]

That was my thought too - its about 700 metres with wide pavements, including several places to shelter from rain or places to sit in the sun, depending on the weather.

At the very least, take a bus.

 

[infobleep]

The cash fare is effectively a penalty. They want you to use Oyster or contactless so fares are priced accordingly.

Cash is seen as a thing of the past on TfL.

If only everyone else agreed with them. If they did then all Oyster and contactless payments would be cheaper than paper tickets or the same price.

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[miami]

Cash fares within Greater London must be the most expensive in the UK. It seems rediculous to charge £4.90 for a Single or charge £9.80 for a Return for a journey of just one stop such as Moorgate to Old Street.

I'm sure there are bus fares more expensive per mile outside London - and even inside London.

£10 a mile is pricey. Altrincham to Navigation Road is £3.28 a mile, Deansgate to Oxford Road is £4.68 a mile.

On the metrolink, Picadilly Gardens to Market Street is £7.60 a mile. If you choose to pay the standard fare of £100 that increases to £715 a mile.

But short trips on metro services are always an anomaly, and it's very unlikely anyone would ever make such a trip, and even if they did in London they'd simply pay the oyster fare.

 

[Clip]

Cash fares within Greater London must be the most expensive in the UK. It seems rediculous to charge £4.90 for a Single or charge £9.80 for a Return for a journey of just one stop such as Moorgate to Old Street.

Its mroe ridiculous that anyone would actually go to the effort of making such a journey - as others have pointed out above with other journey options.

Embankment to Charing cross is even closer and costs the same.

 

[jopsuk]

it gets more ridiculous if the hypothetical person was restricting themselves to the GN Northern City Line (rather than the LU Northern Line) as it is a set of stairs further down, with less frequent trains. And probably slower- certainly from Old Street to Moorgate, as LU trains can rattle into Moorgate at a fair lick whilst NCL trains are heavily speed restricted with safety devices to ensure this is the case named after the station. I'd presume 1995 Tube Stock is rather faster to accelerate than Class 313 as well.

 

[transmanche]

it gets more ridiculous if the hypothetical person was restricting themselves to the GN Northern City Line (rather than the LU Northern Line) as it is a set of stairs further down, with less frequent trains..

The Northern City line is above the Northern line. In fact at Old Street you walk downstairs from the NCL platforms to reach the escalators.

And at certain times of day (especially the morning peak) the travelling environment on a 313 from Moorgate to Old Street would be more pleasant than the Northern line.

 

[westv]

Has the Oyster single of £2.40 risen a large amount in percentage terms??
Was it something like £1.10 seven years ago? A 118% increase.