Smoking onboard the train

[stut]

FWIW, cycle hopping tends to give you more forward control (you can stop immediately by jumping down, and this is a faster reaction than braking) but less sideways control (although you're likely to tip in a way that you land on your feet). I personally only ever use it as part of a running dismount, approaching a kerb (so I can hop straight off).

Not sure why there's any value in waiting until you're outside the station to unfold a folding bike. The bulk and slow progress in carrying one is likely to be more hindrance in a crowd than the unfolded bike (and certainly where I commute, full-size bikes are stored halfway up the platform anyway!) The regular folding bike users on my train are sensible enough to unfold behind a pillar or other obstacle so as not to obstruct others.

TBH though, badly behaved cyclists probably wind other cyclists up more than anyone else!

 

[Jeni]

I'm yet to see an electronic cigarette that looks like a normal one! I really struggle to see how they easily get confused? They're either some sort of black contraption that doesn't even slightly resemble a real cigarette, or something that *does* look like a cigarette, but the end glows green - obviously not real!

 

[greatkingrat]

However I am so proud of myself having travelled from Falkirk to Edinburgh and back today and endured two five hour spells without a cigarette

It took five hours to get from Falkirk to Edinburgh

 

[ainsworth74]

It took five hours to get from Falkirk to Edinburgh

Clearly the lack of nicotine has had quite the effect on Butts! He meant Falkirk to London

 

[Flamingo]

Clearly the lack of nicotine has had quite the effect on Butts! He meant Falkirk to London

One hopes...

 

[Butts]

Clearly the lack of nicotine has had quite the effect on Butts! He meant Falkirk to London

What a dweeb I am

Yes the lack of nicotine and East Coast Free Alcohol have resulted in this "typo"

 

[PauloDavesi]

I do hope the "Butts" didn't break any rail bye laws about been intoxicated after feeding his alcohol dependency

 

[Butts]

I do hope the "Butts" didn't break any rail bye laws about been intoxicated after feeding his alcohol dependency

Believe it or not I only drink when I go out for a meal or travel 1st Class on East Coast or Virgin, my nicotine dependency is far higher

 

[Jona26]

Currently on board 15:35 Chester to Euston between Crewe and Stafford. TM just announced that if the person who has been smoking in the Coach C toilet is caught they will be removed from the train and met by the police.

 

[Butts]

Currently on board 15:35 Chester to Euston between Crewe and Stafford. TM just announced that if the person who has been smoking in the Coach C toilet is caught they will be removed from the train and met by the police.

Have you confessed yet ?

 

[swj99]

Currently on board 15:35 Chester to Euston between Crewe and Stafford. TM just announced that if the person who has been smoking in the Coach C toilet is caught they will be removed from the train and met by the police.

Maybe it's the Harry Enfield character, Buggerallmoney, who smokes 180 a day.

 

[yorksrob]

Mind you I was travelling East Coast 1st Class and necked the equivalent of eight free whiskies each way (2x4 Doubles) which may have helped.

Now that sounds like a decent enough workaround

 

[sidmouth]

About 1/7th of the population may take exception to that. I'm sure smokers have no objection whatsoever.

Which leaves 6/7th of the population who would object to the obnoxious smoke. And not forgetting those killed as indicated above.
Ps I recognise the date for Kings Cross, but is Taunton sleeper included ? I forget its date.

 

[SWT_USER]

Which leaves 6/7th of the population who would object to the obnoxious smoke. And not forgetting those killed as indicated above.
Ps I recognise the date for Kings Cross, but is Taunton sleeper included ? I forget its date.

Not nescasserily 6/7ths, I don't smoke but equally don't object...

 

[Andymccabe13]

I believe an £80 fine is the usual response from BTP. Personally I've put people off the train before now for this, I'm not having my train set on fire by some bloody fool and all the paperwork that would go with that....

(and before anyone says I'm being dramatic, I've known two trains to have fires on them from smokers).

I don't see what the big problem is, all the materials used on trains are fire - resistant. It wasn't too long ago when all Virgin and most recently GNER trains had smoking carriages.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

The Taunton train fire was caused by baskets of used liner being placed next to "on" heaters in the vestibule with disastrous effect. This caused the immediate ban on smoking in sleeper berths (can you imagine how it was for a non smoker sharing a 2 berth cabin with a smoker !) , and a major rejig of safety procedures on these trains.

I am old enough to remember smoking cars on the Tube - and they could be infernally oppressive with maybe 40+ people smoking away in a confined space. This stopped after a bad fire at Oxford Circus station one Sunday night (when a paint store went up ! - no-one killed but some bad effects on staff / passengers). Smoking was then banned on trains but not on Tube stations until the tragic KX fire in 88.At the time of the first ban , I was amazed how the public accepted it. No issue after Kings Cross.

 

[W.Tregurtha]

True, but pity it didn't save china airlines 611...


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The no smoking ban is not enforced, and you're quite right it should be. I shouldn't be threatened or abused by people who seem to think the no smoking ban doesn't apply to them. But it's not the only rule that should be enforced but isn't. Cycling on station platforms is another. its no only stupid, idiotic and downright dangerous but is against railway byelaws anyway. but its not only the practice of riding cycles, but the more usual on platform behaviour of what I call cycle hopping, where they stand on one pedal and push the cycle along with ther other foot. This I consider to be more dangerous than actually cycling as the rider has less control over their bike, IMHO! But I am sure some cyclist will tell me I am wrong!

Yes you are wrong. If you don't cycle (I do) don't assume. I wouldn't tell a train driver how to drive a train.

 

[yorkie]

Yes you are wrong. If you don't cycle (I do) don't assume. I wouldn't tell a train driver how to drive a train.

I don't see how he is wrong? It is common sense that standing on one pedal while the other foot is used to push against the floor is going to give you less control than cycling normally! (and I do cycle)

 

[Jona26]

Have you confessed yet ?

Not guilty guv - was in Coach K on a 10 car Super Voyager so not poss to get through to Coach C

 

[34D]

The full accident report pertaining to the Kings Cross Fire, linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Cross_fire makes very interesting reading indeed, and I would urge all smokers to read it.

 

[Butts]

The full accident report pertaining to the Kings Cross Fire, linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Cross_fire makes very interesting reading indeed, and I would urge all smokers to read it.

Especially the part relating to London Undergrounds attitude to fire safety as prior to Kings Cross there had never been a fatality resulting form a fire on the network.
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Now that sounds like a decent enough workaround

Only shame is they serve Grouse rather than a nice Malt....

 

[yorksrob]

Only shame is they serve Grouse rather than a nice Malt....

Ah well, you can't have everything !

 

[swj99]

The full accident report pertaining to the Kings Cross Fire, linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Cross_fire makes very interesting reading indeed, and I would urge all smokers to read it.

Thanks for posting that. I followed one of the links in that article, and found a video simulation of how the fire is believed to have started and spread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UjQzXgpmU0g

One thing I am uneasy with is the possibility that a ban on smoking somewhere, in this case, on trains and in railway stations, could give rise to complacency and a false sense of security. There could be a temptation to believe that smoking alone is the cause of fires on trains or in stations, and because smoking is now banned, there is no fire risk, which obviously is not the case. But if that belief exists, my concern is that it could lead people to behave as if there is little or no fire risk, and therefore precautions that could be taken are not taken.

 

[johnb]

I don't see what the big problem is, all the materials used on trains are fire - resistant. It wasn't too long ago when all Virgin and most recently GNER trains had smoking carriages.

The difference is, when smoking was legal, you were smoking in public and putting your ciggie out in an ashtray. Now it's banned, eejits who keep on smoking anyway will smoke in the toilet, potentially chuck the end in a bin full of flammable paper as they leave, and thus create a fairly significant blaze before anyone notices.

This is why, next time you're in an aeroplane, you'll see an ashtray on the toilet door - even if it's a model that only went into production long after smoking was banned. This is a regulatory requirement, designed to reduce the chance that *if* some idiot smokes in the loo, they'll put their ciggie out in some damn fool way that sets the whole plane on fire.

 

[big_dirt]

There are junkies now using those e-cigarettes to smoke a heroin infusion in places where they wouldn't get away with using their muck ordinarily. I think that e-cigarettes should be banned as people don't actually know what is being smoked.

 

[Gwenllian2001]

There are junkies now using those e-cigarettes to smoke a heroin infusion in places where they wouldn't get away with using their muck ordinarily. I think that e-cigarettes should be banned as people don't actually know what is being smoked.

E cigarettes are not smoked, they merely produce water vapour. I can't help but notice that a sensible discussion about smoking on trains has brought out the 'ban everything' brigade. Smokers, as taxpayers, are entitled to their opinions anti smokers are entitled to theirs. I would suggest there are other unwanted nuisances that are just as important such as the filth of exhaust fumes that pollute our towns and cities.

The latest figures, for 2012, show an estimated tax yield on tobacco products of £9.5 Billion in Excise and £2.6 Billion in VAT. If smoking is banned, I trust that the ‘antis’ will be happy for the lost revenue to be extracted from train fares or an extra tax on motor fuel.

 

[Ediswan]

E cigarettes are not smoked, they merely produce water vapour.

It is not water vapour. It is very similar to the output of a stage smoke machine. Plus some nicotine and/or whatever else has been included.

The vast majority of people would not be worried by stage smoke, even in huge quantities. If anybody is worried about the tiny amount of nicotine floating around, there are several common vegetables they should be avoiding.

 

[big_dirt]

E cigarettes are not smoked, they merely produce water vapour. I can't help but notice that a sensible discussion about smoking on trains has brought out the 'ban everything' brigade. Smokers, as taxpayers, are entitled to their opinions anti smokers are entitled to theirs. I would suggest there are other unwanted nuisances that are just as important such as the filth of exhaust fumes that pollute our towns and cities.
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Are you then happy to have heroin users consume it in your presence because it is being taken as a vapour instead of a smoke?

We will end up like Ireland where registered drug addicts get a free travel pass and consequently large amounts of drugs are consumed on trains, buses and trams.

 

[Flamingo]

Are you then happy to have heroin users consume it in your presence because it is being taken as a vapour instead of a smoke?

We will end up like Ireland where registered drug addicts get a free travel pass and consequently large amounts of drugs are consumed on trains, buses and trams.

And your source for this nugget of information is?

 

[big_dirt]

Look at www.boards.ie The Commuting and Transport section is full of it. Certain bus routes and the red Luas line are the worst. I have personally seen discarded needles on the DART! The drug clinics are in town so the junkies have to come in from the outskirts to get their treatment. This is not news Flamingo.
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And look at posts 5 and 13 on this

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=173636

He even says about taking it on the train.