Southern Class 313 withdrawal/storage/scrapping updates

[TT-ONR-NRN]

The "pep" is a prototype and the 313 was built of of it.. I know it's not a pep it's just a nickname

Ahh, really? That explains why the member I was thinking of says 313/314/315/507/508 aren't PEPs, because PEP means the prototype. I never knew that; you learn something new every day.

The 377/3s aren't an enormous upgrade from the 313s as the cream walls and gaudy sapphire blue lower panels look very dated, as does the oval shaped P.I.S., and the /3s and early /1s (and almost all 375s) have that sort of B.O.esque smell, which is less notable on other 377 classes. Still, there's toilets and temperature control, and half-tables are better than no tables.

 

[that1pepfan]

Ahh, really? That explains why the member I was thinking of says 313/314/315/507/508 aren't PEPs, because PEP means the prototype. I never knew that; you learn something new every day.

The 377/3s aren't an enormous upgrade from the 313s as the cream walls and gaudy sapphire blue lower panels look very dated, as does the oval shaped P.I.S., and the /3s and early /1s (and almost all 375s) have that sort of B.O.esque smell, which is less notable on other 377 classes. Still, there's toilets and temperature control, and half-tables are better than no tables.

The "pep" stands for prototype e p break

 

[D365]

Ahh, really? That explains why the member I was thinking of says 313/314/315/507/508 aren't PEPs, because PEP means the prototype. I never knew that; you learn something new every day.

The more accurate descriptor for those classes would be "PEP-derivative".

 

[that1pepfan]

The more accurate descriptor for those classes would be "PEP-derivative".

Basically yeah

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Meanwhile back to 313s...

203, 204, 210, 215, 216, 219 all out today

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

The more accurate descriptor for those classes would be "PEP-derivative".

Yes, indeed. Fortunately, we shouldn't have a need to refer to them at all very soon, when we are blessed with universal air-conditioned trains on the Southern and Merseyrail networks at long last.

 

[that1pepfan]

Meanwhile back to 313s...

203, 204, 210, 215, 216, 219 all out today

210 and 216 on seaford and the rest to bognor Regis - Littlehampton - Portsmouth

Yes, indeed. Fortunately, we shouldn't have a need to refer to them at all very soon, when we are blessed with universal air-conditioned trains on the Southern and Merseyrail networks at long last.

I'll very much miss them though

The motors are amazing aspecially on 313202 and 220

Will 313201 always be at york or will it leave there at any time for a railtour or something

 

[WizCastro197]

Has 211 been in service recently?

It definitely is the worst looking unit on the outside, not sure about inside

 

[that1pepfan]

Has 211 been in service recently?

It definitely is the worst looking unit on the outside, not sure about inside

Yep it has it was out some point this week

It was on 6 cars last week too

Has 211 been in service recently?

It definitely is the worst looking unit on the outside, not sure about inside

Last time it was out was on Thursday 17/11/22

I haven't heard of 206 coming out in a little while though

 

[prod_pep]

313208 has the best-sounding motors in my opinion. My last ride on it was on the Portsmouth fasts, putting those loud motors to excellent use; superb ride too. It is Southern's answer to Merseyrail's 507008.

Mentioned before, but for clarity's sake, PEP can't possibly be the correct family name for these as it stands for Prototype Electro-Pneumatic (brake); the 445s and 446s were the PEPs. 'PEP-derived' is about as good as it's going to get as there is no official family name.

 

[43096]

What is a Pep Fan?

Someone who supports Manchester city, having previously supported Barcelona and Bayern Munich?

 

[that1pepfan]

313208 has the best-sounding motors in my opinion. My last ride on it was on the Portsmouth fasts, putting those loud motors to excellent use; superb ride too. It is Southern's answer to Merseyrail's 507008.

Mentioned before, but for clarity's sake, PEP can't possibly be the correct family name for these as it stands for Prototype Electro-Pneumatic (brake); the 445s and 446s were the PEPs. 'PEP-derived' is about as good as it's going to get as there is no official family name.

Compressor on that is knackered though.. apparently can't do over 60mph

I think 220 & 202 sounds awesome

207 sounds probably the most "normal"

313218 sounds amazing

 

[WizCastro197]

Yep it has it was out some point this week

It was on 6 cars last week too


Last time it was out was on Thursday 17/11/22

I haven't heard of 206 coming out in a little while though

Yes

According to this thread 206 hasn’t come out for a while.

Does anyone know where it is?

Selhurst?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

as does the oval shaped P.I.S.

Is the shape of the PIS really import! As long as it gives the correct info

 

[WizCastro197]

Is the shape of the PIS really import! As long as it gives the correct info

Yes

The train works well, gives correct infomation well and led the job with ease unlike 313s

I am sure customers won’t care what shape the PIS is and I am more certain that they will like a change of train rather than the usual 313.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Yes

The train works well, gives correct infomation well and led the job with ease unlike 313s

I am sure customers won’t care what shape the PIS is and I am more certain that they will like a change of train rather than the usual 313.

Exactly, that’s why I was so surprised the shape of the PIS was even mentioned as being outdated by the OP!

 

[Islineclear3_1]

It definitely is the worst looking unit on the outside, not sure about inside

Nope, 204 is the worst IMHO

 

[WizCastro197]

Nope, 204 is ...

On the inside?

Images show that 204 still has all its stickers and stuff unlike 211

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

The PIS isn’t an issue as such, I’m just mentioning it as one of the factors that make the 377/3 and early /1 seem so dated by comparison to /4.

Excuse these blurry Internet photos, but this


looks considerably more dated than this, which I put down mainly to the interior colours. Still, very trivial points I know and still better than a 313.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

On the inside?

Images show that 204 still has all its stickers and stuff unlike 211

I think the general consensus is they are all in a bad way and need putting out their misery!!

 

[that1pepfan]

Nope, 204 is the worst IMHO

On the outside definitely although 220 looks very battered too and the front paint also

 

[WizCastro197]

I think the general consensus is they are all in a bad way and need putting out their misery!!

Yes of course

No point having a competition about which one looks worse! They all are!

The PIS isn’t an issue as such, I’m just mentioning it as one of the factors that make the 377/3 and early /1 seem so dated by comparison to /4.

Excuse these blurry Internet photos, but this
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looks considerably more dated than this, which I put down mainly to the interior colours. Still, very trivial points I know and still better than a 313.

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They aren’t falling apart though

They do work


And are air conditioned/ temperature control

I am sure that’s all passesengers want


I doubt they care about how dates the train looks

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I think the general consensus is they are all in a bad way and need putting out their misery!!

I'll raise a glass to that.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

On the inside?

No the outside. It beats 206

 

[that1pepfan]

No the outside. It beats 206

206 don't look that bad on the outside does it

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

And are air conditioned/ temperature control

I am sure that’s all passesengers want

I doubt they care about how dates the train looks

I agree entirely, it's more just a hope that the 377/3 and early /1 will be brought into line with the other first generation 377s as part of the refurbishment.

 

[that1pepfan]

I agree entirely, it's more just a hope that the 377/3 and early /1 will be brought into line with the other first generation 377s as part of the refurbishment.

They have 106 is refurbished

 

[Islineclear3_1]

They have 106 is refurbished

This is a 313 thread...

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Now if people wish to compare 313s, which unit has the best sounding compressors?

 

[that1pepfan]

Now if people wish to compare 313s, which unit has the best sounding compressors?

203 Or 214