alistairlees
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Hi
I was just looking at journeys between Springburn and Coatbridge Central, and am struggling to decide what are the valid itineraries for an Any Permitted fare.
Before fares and the routeing guide are considered, the journey possibilities would seem to be:
1. Via Greenfaulds (1 change). Takes about 30 minutes.
2. Via Queen Street / Central then a train to Whifflet and change there (takes rather longer).
I know that you could go to Coatbridge Sunnyside (this may be a misnomer), but there's no fixed link from there so in theory it's not a valid itinerary.
The reason I ask is:
- the shortest "real" distance is via Whifflet (13.75 miles)
- via Greenfaulds is 16.9 miles
- in the routeing guide data there is a distance from Springburn to Coatbridge Central of 7.71 miles (direct, even though it doesn't exist). Possibly this represents use of a freight chord for passenger trains in the past, though even then it wouldn't have been right. But that's history, shouldn't be relevant.
So, unless there is a mapped route or easement, no fare should be valid because the actual journey is not within 3 miles of the shortest route.
Some journey planners such as Raileasy and Trainline don't show any fares or itineraries - I assume for this reason. Others (VTEC and c2c) show journeys via Greenfaulds.
Maybe it's a mapped route? Map GF links Springburn to Falkirk Group, and map SG links Springburn to Motherwell Group. I haven't had time to check NFM64 yet though and look into this properly.
Any advice or contributions appreciated. I'm approaching this from a "what do the data and the rules allow me to do" point of view, rather than "will the guard accept my ticket" point of view, so no need to worry about that part.
Thanks in anticipation.
I was just looking at journeys between Springburn and Coatbridge Central, and am struggling to decide what are the valid itineraries for an Any Permitted fare.
Before fares and the routeing guide are considered, the journey possibilities would seem to be:
1. Via Greenfaulds (1 change). Takes about 30 minutes.
2. Via Queen Street / Central then a train to Whifflet and change there (takes rather longer).
I know that you could go to Coatbridge Sunnyside (this may be a misnomer), but there's no fixed link from there so in theory it's not a valid itinerary.
The reason I ask is:
- the shortest "real" distance is via Whifflet (13.75 miles)
- via Greenfaulds is 16.9 miles
- in the routeing guide data there is a distance from Springburn to Coatbridge Central of 7.71 miles (direct, even though it doesn't exist). Possibly this represents use of a freight chord for passenger trains in the past, though even then it wouldn't have been right. But that's history, shouldn't be relevant.
So, unless there is a mapped route or easement, no fare should be valid because the actual journey is not within 3 miles of the shortest route.
Some journey planners such as Raileasy and Trainline don't show any fares or itineraries - I assume for this reason. Others (VTEC and c2c) show journeys via Greenfaulds.
Maybe it's a mapped route? Map GF links Springburn to Falkirk Group, and map SG links Springburn to Motherwell Group. I haven't had time to check NFM64 yet though and look into this properly.
Any advice or contributions appreciated. I'm approaching this from a "what do the data and the rules allow me to do" point of view, rather than "will the guard accept my ticket" point of view, so no need to worry about that part.
Thanks in anticipation.