St Pancras to stratford

[Mojo]

The NRG in Detail states in bold font "When you have chosen your journey, look to see if an easement applies to it."
This forms one of the documents under "Instructions and help" on the ATOC site so anyone choosing not to read it only has themselves to blame if their route is actually forbidden by an easement.

I disagree. This is only mentioned in section F which gives more detail.

The instructions are in Section A and on the very first page is a flowchart which gives instructions on how to use the Routeing Guide.

It quite clearly says:

Most customers wish to make journeys by through trains or by the shortest route. In both cases they will be travelling on a permitted route, provided the correct fare has been paid to reflect any routeing indicated by the fares manual.

Why/how should someone expect this to be contradicted elsewhere in the document?

Also "Section A explains the rules and procedures for using the Routeing Guide" (section F). Nowhere in section A is this rule explained or mentioned.

 

[stut]

I've been following this and a couple of other threads, and am still wondering...

Has there been any conclusion as to whether tickets from beyond London to Stratford (Regional) are valid via HS1?

(Am curious as it could be a convenient way to get to City Airport and Essex - both journeys I have to make - once the new DLR line opens...)

 

[Yorkswatcher]

According to SE from the email they sent me its not and the booking system should not let you book those tickets.

Sorry just re-read your message London to Stratford regional is not vaild via HS1.

 

[stut]

Indeed, the booking system won't let me book London - Stratford via International. But Biggleswade - Stratford is a different story...

 

[philjo]

the Routeing guide dated 5/4/2011 offers 3 mapped routes from LONDON to Stratford London Gp (which includes both Stratford International & Stratford Regional stations).

CO - from Liverpool Street
HK - from St Pancras via HS1
HS - from St Pancras via HS1


But the only mapped route to Colchester form LONDON is map CO - from Liverpool Street.

 

[stut]

And similarly, from Stevenage to Stratford London Gp is available only on WA+TS, which also excludes HS1.

But if it's the shortest route or within 3 miles..?

The booking engines still allow it, FWIW.

 

[CompactDstrxion]

The negative easement only affects journeys from St Pancras to Stratford (Regional) in both directions. It doesn't affect any other journeys. Though whether the easement is enforceable at all given that it references the phantom station named 'Stratford Domestic' last time I checked is a different matter. If going via HS1 is less than three miles further than the shortest route (and St Pancras is less than three miles further from Stratford than Liverpool Street) then other 'Any Permitted' tickets are automatically valid (such as my Zone U1 to Chelmsford). When I had my encounter with this anomaly Southeastern eventually acknowledged my ticket was valid and said they would 'fix' the problem. As far as I can see the only way to do this is by replacing Any Permitted with Not Valid on HS1 for all tickets where going this way is otherwise valid.

 

[bb21]

Has there been any conclusion as to whether tickets from beyond London to Stratford (Regional) are valid via HS1?

My Bedford Stations - Stratford London Route +Any Permitted / Route West Hampstead Anytime Day Return are both valid via HS1. Used them a few times. Never had trouble from staff. You have to ask to be let through though as they don't open the gates.

 

[causton]

The Easements section is very weird, with some easements expiring ages ago, one saying "due to go live in 2006" and Easement 700009 is VERY informative!