Stagecoach East Scotland

[robertclark125]

Saves power when not in use you see, and we're all being told to conserve energy!

Unusual working yesterday, I saw an E400 on a 44A working. I say unusual, as normally services between Leven and Glenrothes, on a Sunday, are worked by Optare Solos.

 

[Jamester]

There never been disabled, you have to ask the very nice driver to switch them on

All the B7 plug sockets have had the fuses removed for safety reasons. Don't know about the B13s.

 

[robertclark125]

Health and Safety gone mad IMO!

On the Dundee Area Bus Forum, friend and Fife Bus Club member Lee Barrett has reported that one of the ex Perth Gold E300s has been repainted into swoops, retaining the leather seats. However, Aberhill depot (where it was repainted) have covered the fleetnumber and registration over with masking tape. Thanks guys!

One person has suggested that the E300s from the gold service, apart from the two going into park and ride livery, could be allocated to Dundee and Glenrothes for the X42. Each depot requires two cehicles for it. TBH I'm not sure if that'll happen, though it might, even though the branded vehicles (down in London for the games) are newer.

What is certain is that some more B10M-55 withdrawals and B10B/B10BLE withdrawals can be expected.

 

[tbtc]

What is certain is that some more B10M-55 withdrawals and B10B/B10BLE withdrawals can be expected.

How many high floor single deckers are left in Fife/ Strathtay/ Perth areas?

 

[robertclark125]

Well I have the latest fleetcard from Stagecoach East Scotland, supplied by Suzy Scott, so, given that the B10B and B10BLEs are numbered in the same series as the B10M-55s, I've worked it out as best I can, going round the various depots. This list includes B10M-62 coaches, excluding those at rennies.

Aberhill: 20339/41 = 2

Arbroath: 20113 = 1

Blairgowrie: 20322 20332 20927 52250 52254 52256 = 6

Cowdenbeath: 20331 20340 52476 52479 = 4

Dundee: 52656 52666 = 2

Dunfermline: 0

Glenrothes: 20330 20334 20335 20336 20337 20338 52426 52477 = 8

Perth: 20147 20150 20151 20154 20342 = 5

St. Andrews: 20149 52420 52481 = 3

So I make it 31.

 

[mbonwick]

given that the B10B and B10BLEs are numbered in the same series as the B10M-55s,

No they aren't.
20xxx - B10M
210xx - B10L/B
211xx - B10BLE
212xx - B7RLE

No point listing the coaches on there as most aren't up for direct replacement as they're only used on schools.

 

[tbtc]

Thanks Robert

 

[Blindtraveler]

didnt think Fife had any B10m coaches left but makes sense that they have for schools

 

[mbonwick]

Well I have the latest fleetcard from Stagecoach East Scotland, supplied by Suzy Scott,

It's been up at http://mbonwick.cu.cc/SCNW/Fleetcards/12 for a good few weeks now....

 

[robertclark125]

The two coaches at St Andrews are used on route 23, St Andrews to Stirling, and are due for replacement by cascaded MAN 18.220s when the new Scanias arrive in October. The two B10M-62s at Glenrothes work peak hour route X61, and also workers route G3.

It's only the ones in the Strathtay area that do any schools work, the ones at Cowdenbeath provide peak hour journeys on route X54.

 

[mbonwick]

The two B10M-62s at Glenrothes work peak hour route X61, and also workers route G3.

It's only the ones in the Strathtay area that do any schools work

Wrong I'm afraid, 1 of Glenrothes B10M-62s is booked to work from X54/61 to/from schools, with the other being a spare.

You're forgetting Rennies in all of this too....

 

[robertclark125]

Wrong I'm afraid, 1 of Glenrothes B10M-62s is booked to work from X54/61 to/from schools, with the other being a spare.

You're forgetting Rennies in all of this too....

I didn't include Rennies, as it's not really operating stage carriage services (though it did at one time).
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Just to confirm, all the E400s from East Scotland nhave returned from the Olympics, and are back at their home depots, all with fleetnames, though, as expected, no advertising on them at the moment. New advert contracts will see this position change shortly.

The E300s are staying in London for the Paralympics, and the three Scania double deckers on loan at Dundee will now head to Western Scottish, where they were due originally.

 

[overthewater]

So all those wonderful Aberdeen Axl300 will be running about for another 4 weeks,

Does anyone know when the new coaches are due for the Glasgow routes?

 

[Blindtraveler]

seeing as the alimpics aint over till Sun, why have they returned early?
Which Western depot are the new Scans going too?
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oh and when the Glasgow runs get there new vehicles does anyone know where the current fleat will go?

 

[mbonwick]

I'm not aware of any coaches due for Glasgow, unless they're for Citylink but I've no idea what they are.

Western's Scania E400s are for Ardrossan, to replace their last 3 artics, the E300s are also for Ardrossan.

The Scottish vehicles are back early because the big spectator events are over, and the scottish schools are about to go back imminently.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Be nice to see the Artics gone from Squadran service at Western, good vehicles but much of the road network just cant take them.

 

[overthewater]

seeing as the alimpics aint over till Sun, why have they returned early?
Which Western depot are the new Scans going too?
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oh and when the Glasgow runs get there new vehicles does anyone know where the current fleat will go?

Because the Scottish schools are back next week, and leaving Monday morning will not give them enough time to get them all back,

 

[robertclark125]

Yeah, schools are back in Fife Tuesday and Wednesday, hence their early return.

Two sets of service changes take place over the next two weeks. The first batch occur on Monday 13th August, and are mainly in perth and Kinross, some of them connected to retendering. This includes the loss of schooldays journeys on route 202 to Hamish Gordon, as mentioned in the thread I started about fare paying schoolkids being banned from this service, and the takeover of the Broxden Park and Ride in Perth.

The following week, some minor changes to route 78, with new service X78, offering two evening return journeys, which in essence are placing journeys for route 15, Alloa - Falkirk, where Stagecoach Fife has won the evening and Sunday conrtact from First.

Also notable is that the Panda Express, route X1, ends on August 19th.

 

[overthewater]

I would love to know how the fare playing passengers will get to school.

 

[robertclark125]

You're not the only one overthewater, the parents of the affected kids would love to know as well, and as Mbonwick said on that thread, how can such a ban be enforceable?

The planned reshuffle of Dennis Tridents from Blairgowrie depot, with the E400s now returned from London, should now take place. If any end up at Glenrothes, I wouldn't be surprised if an older Trident, possibly ex London, got moved to Blairgowrie in return, to provide an extra low floor decker. Worth also mentioning, again, that Glenrothes now has an entirely low floor double decker allocation.

 

[mbonwick]

I doubt Blairgowrie will get another Trident - they've 1 spare for PVR 5 which is more than enough.

 

[overthewater]

I think we can all see what going to happen. Kids will end up not going to school; school complains, the angry parents rip though the school. Papers got hold of the story and have a field-day.

I have also heard some ex Perth darts have gone to fife.

 

[Jamester]

The ex Blairgowrie Tridents are now in service at Aberhill replacing 16176 16307 and 16313. Also worth noting Aberhill now has 19669 instead of 19662.

It is worth remembering that although the older tridents are low floor, they are not DDA compliant as they have no dedicated wheelchair area. 17060 is the exception to this. It did not come from London and was not a dual door vehicle.

 

[mbonwick]

Wrong.

17060 is ex-London but was laid out in such a way that it was easy to return to some semblance of DDA compliant SC spec. Same goes for 17061.

From what I've head 16176/307/313 are off to Rennies to replace 16054/64/73/75 which are aged out for school work.

 

[robertclark125]

Exactly, it came from Devon, but was new to London.

 

[Jamester]

I seem to remember when 17060/61 arrived in Fife, they were branded Stagecoach in Gloucester. I recall some Olympians arriving from Devon.

There's been quite a few movements of deckers between depots this week. Looking forward to the next fleet card to confirm all the changes.

 

[robertclark125]

Not sure if it's a change in policy or a mistake, but I saw one of the Gold liveried E300s in Kirkcaldy this morning, heading to Ninewells Hospital on route X42. Normally, the section between Kirkcaldy and Ladybank shows "Ladybank for Ninewells". But, this bus was clearly showing "Ninewells via Glenrothes" then "Ninewells via Cupar".

Also saw one of the tri axle coaches in Glenrothes, on the X59 to St. Andrews, and normally these show Glenrothes for Edinburgh or St Andrews. But, it too was only showing the final destination point.

 

[KendalKing]

I seem to remember when 17060/61 arrived in Fife, they were branded Stagecoach in Gloucester. I recall some Olympians arriving from Devon.

17060/61 were based at Gloucester depot in early 2009.

 

[Liam]

Not sure if it's a change in policy or a mistake, but I saw one of the Gold liveried E300s in Kirkcaldy this morning, heading to Ninewells Hospital on route X42. Normally, the section between Kirkcaldy and Ladybank shows "Ladybank for Ninewells". But, this bus was clearly showing "Ninewells via Glenrothes" then "Ninewells via Cupar".

Also saw one of the tri axle coaches in Glenrothes, on the X59 to St. Andrews, and normally these show Glenrothes for Edinburgh or St Andrews. But, it too was only showing the final destination point.

This is better though. To often I have seen X24 Kincardine, then under in small letters 'for Glasgow.' I know it's a through service, but to someone not used to travelling on the service it doesn't make it clear whether it is a through service to Glasgow or if a change of bus is required at Kincardine.

 

[robertclark125]

Saw an X24 this evening as you desribe Liam.