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I believe a possession/overnight job is planned sometime over the weekend of 16/17th april to install the new infrastructure.
Philip, it is a useful bit of track for Freight & Charter Trains, they can reach Yorkshire avoiding both Manchester Piccadilly & Victoria.
Yes but some people in the past have suggested running passenger services over this line, like a Crewe-Stalybridge/Yorkshire service missing out Manchester, or replacing an existing service like the South Wales or Chester to Manchester's or a London and running them either across to Yorkshire or into Victoria
Because a lot of people travel through Manchester rather than to Manchester; giving them more direct bypassing choices will reduce congestion in Manchester itself?
Same reasoning as Thameslink and Crossrail in London.
Good point. If there was a Huddersfield-Stalybridge-Stockport-West Midlands service using the line I'm sure it would be well used.
Where will these skipped trains go to? Manchester Airport? Waste of a service... West Midlands already has trains to Leeds.
More people board and alight peak time Manchester-London services at Stockport than at Manchester, so if London travellers find it more conveinent to use Stockport over Manchester then why shouldn't West Yorkshire travellers?
Well as long as you're sure...
to be fixed over Easter I believe
Just had another thought about this line. When all the eventualities that make up the final decision making concerning the proposed Ordsall Chord are considered, if the existing First TPE service from Manchester Airport to Cleethorpes that serves Sheffield and Doncaster is precluded from reversal as at present at Manchester Piccadilly to enable future rationalization to the throat of the approaches to Manchester Piccadilly to have no cross line paths, it could follow the proposed paths through both Manchester Piccadilly and Manchester Victoria then to take the junction at Miles Platting towards Stalybridge as will be used by the First TPE services from Manchester Airport to both Newcastle and Middlesbrough, then to take the junction at Ashton Moss to join the existing line to Stockport from there. This would give another reason for retaining this line. However, I feel that it would be the easier option for First TPE to commence this service from Manchester Piccadilly rather than from the airport.
Last year on Good Friday I think they almost got a full 150 running the Stockport-Stalybridge service. They've prevented that from happening this year by leaving the engineering works until that weekend.
Last year on Good Friday I think they almost got a full 150 running the Stockport-Stalybridge service. They've prevented that from happening this year by leaving the engineering works until that weekend.
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It sounds like your proposing a circular route: Cleethorphes-Stockport-Piccadilly-Victoria-Stalybridge-Stockport-Cleethorphes. I think there might be logistical problems in doing that. Maybe it would work better if the service was split at Doncaster.
I think that you have misread my thinking. as I did not mention Stalybridge for the Cleethorpes train. My route from Manchester Airport subject to the proposed Ordsall Chord goes via Piccadilly and Victoria stations, takes the junction at Miles Platting, then taking the junction at Ashton Moss, takes that line via Heaton Norris to Stockport station where it will take its normal route via Sheffield and Doncaster to Cleethorpes.....and vice-versa for the return route.
I didn't mean to put Stalybridge in to my reply. I was just thinking 'Stockport to Stalybridge' at the time of writing.
With your suggestions the times would be something like:
Cleethorphes: 12:28
Doncaster: 13:42
Sheffield: 14:08
Stockport: 14:53
Piccadilly: 15:02
Oxford Road: 15:04
Victoria: 15:10
Stockport: 15:30 (assuming no calls at Denton and Reddish South)
Sheffield: 16:13
Doncaster: 16:42
Cleethrophes: 17:54
Problem 1: If there's a minor fault with a unit where does it get switched, considering maintainence is done at Ardwick? Is it sent between Cleethorphes and Ardwick ECS or do you force passengers to switch trains for what's advertised as a direct service everytime there's a minor fault?
Problem 2: Journey time from Manchester to Sheffield is too long, especially considering people who arrive at Piccadilly from Sheffield will likely go back to the same station to pick up the return service.
Problem 2: Journey time from Manchester to Sheffield is too long, especially considering people who arrive at Piccadilly from Sheffield will likely go back to the same station to pick up the return service.
Change at Stockport?