Stopping Short

[VauxhallandI]

Currently on the 8.20 Euston to Manchester Picc service.

Noticed it would be quicker for me to pick up the 10.30 Stockport to Altrincham service than do the tram from town.

Can I stop short on an Advance ticket?

 

[jopsuk]

Not usually. Advance tickets are (almost) all valid solely for the journey sold for. It's not uncommon for shorter journeys to be more expensive than certain Advance fares. People have been caught out in the past. Check the T&Cs of your ticket.
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(caveats as no doubt someone can find an Advance that does allow stopping short)

 

[VauxhallandI]

Not usually. Advance tickets are (almost) all valid solely for the journey sold for. It's not uncommon for shorter journeys to be more expensive than certain Advance fares. People have been caught out in the past. Check the T&Cs of your ticket.
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(caveats as no doubt someone can find an Advance that does allow stopping short)

Thanks but there no terms on the ticket and I have followed the link from the email confirmation and it doesn't state anything about it.

 

[island]

Thanks but there no terms on the ticket and I have followed the link from the email confirmation and it doesn't state anything about it.

You would have had to tick to accept the terms and conditions when you bought the ticket, and the information about break of journey being prohibited would be there.

If detected, stopping short at Stockport on your advance ticket would render you liable to an excess fare of the difference between what you paid and £76.30, plus perhaps a £10 admin fee.

 

[yorkie]

do you have a ticket from Manchester to Altrincham?
if so simply ask the guard if you need to double back?

This crops up every so often and so far no one I know of has been made to double back.

 

[island]

do you have a ticket from Manchester to Altrincham?
if so simply ask the guard if you need to double back?

This crops up every so often and so far no one I know of has been made to double back.

Unfortunately the train the OP is on called at Stockport two minutes before your post

 

[VauxhallandI]

Unfortunately the train the OP is on called at Stockport two minutes before your post

indeed the deed had been done.

I got off at Stockport and showed my ticket at the bottom of the stairs, they didn't say anything although it wasn't exactly examined.

I then asked them to sell me a single to Altrincham and popped over to platform 2 for the 142 experience!

I'm getting the feeling the recommendation for the return leg I should be buying a tram ticket to Picc?

I only have a ticket between Picc and Eus

 

[Rich McLean]

indeed the deed had been done.

I got off at Stockport and showed my ticket at the bottom of the stairs, they didn't say anything although it wasn't exactly examined.

I then asked them to sell me a single to Altrincham and popped over to platform 2 for the 142 experience!

I'm getting the feeling the recommendation for the return leg I should be buying a tram ticket to Picc?

I only have a ticket between Picc and Eus

That is the safest bet, just incase you come across an Anal RPI

 

[island]

Assuming that you have also got an Advance ticket from Manchester Stns to London Terminals for your way back, that is not valid to join a train at Stockport.

Admitting that you have committed an offence by not paying the correct amount for your journey (you should properly have asked the staff member at Stockport for an excess fare, or at least "is it OK to come off here") on a public forum possibly isn't a great idea.

 

[Marton]

Anyone else remember the Darlington incident?

Cost the guy £155

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11420790

 

[ainsworth74]

Though my understanding was that East Coast apologised, refunded him and issued guidance to their staff not to take that action in similar circumstances?

 

[island]

...which was refunded after the uproar.

 

[jopsuk]

SWT have enforced stopping-short restrictions on people leaving the train at Eastleigh with Advances/Meagtrain (possibly the latter) to Southampton

 

[455driver]

That is the safest bet, just incase you come across an Anal RPI

Or as we like to call it, sticking to the rules of the ticket purchased! :roll:

 

[PermitToTravel]

There are no advanced fares to Southampton

 

[island]

There are no advanced fares to Southampton

But there are Megatrain fares.

 

[John @ home]

There are no advanced fares to Southampton

From my local station, Cottingley, there are plenty Advance fares to Southampton from £34.50 to £107.00.

 

[Butts]

SWT have enforced stopping-short restrictions on people leaving the train at Eastleigh with Advances/Meagtrain (possibly the latter) to Southampton

Just as well on alighting a Megatrain (Virgin) Service at Wolverhampton (going to Brum) the same diligence is not apparent

 

[martinsh]

Just as well on alighting a Megatrain (Virgin) Service at Wolverhampton (going to Brum) the same diligence is not apparent

I've never had my ticket checked either alighting or boarding at Wolverhampton - and use it 2 or 3 times per week.

 

[jb]

Though my understanding was that East Coast apologised, refunded him and issued guidance to their staff not to take that action in similar circumstances?

... because the ability to do what you feel like rather than follow clearly stated conditions like the rest of us will always hold sway in the Kangaroo Court of Public Opinion.

 

[VauxhallandI]

... because the ability to do what you feel like rather than follow clearly stated conditions like the rest of us will always hold sway in the Kangaroo Court of Public Opinion.

It should be made more public, yes I know it is some wee t&c's section but if I asked 100 people at my work if you could get off early I bet a very very large proportion would not know.
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Assuming that you have also got an Advance ticket from Manchester Stns to London Terminals for your way back, that is not valid to join a train at Stockport.

Admitting that you have committed an offence by not paying the correct amount for your journey (you should properly have asked the staff member at Stockport for an excess fare, or at least "is it OK to come off here") on a public forum possibly isn't a great idea.

I'm sure my story about a train journey on a forum would be cast in stone

 

[jkdd77]

...which was refunded after the uproar.

Technically, EC should have charged an excess, rather than a new single fare, (possibly minus £10 admin fee?) but, nonetheless, it sets a bad precedent when running to the media gets a far greater refund than was rightfully due.

 

[TQ]

I've never had my ticket checked either alighting or boarding at Wolverhampton - and use it 2 or 3 times per week.

I have, by Virgin RPIs half way across the bridge. Quiet thorough as I remember

 

[yorkie]

Anyone else remember the Darlington incident?

Cost the guy £155

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11420790

It cost the Company a lot of bad Press, and ultimately cost the Professor nothing.

£155 was not the correct amount anyway, given the rules state that an excess should be charged to the appropriate fare (not full fare).

We also learned it was their policy to allow people to exit without charge.

SWT have enforced stopping-short restrictions on people leaving the train at Eastleigh with Advances/Meagtrain (possibly the latter) to Southampton

Again SWT did not follow the rules. A Penalty Fare was incorrectly issued, and people on this forum said at the time an appeal should be successful, and a member of SWT staff informed me that an appeal was indeed made and was successful, and this was reported on this forum at the time.

... because the ability to do what you feel like rather than follow clearly stated conditions like the rest of us will always hold sway in the Kangaroo Court of Public Opinion.

And the conditions are to charge an excess to the appropriate fare, not charge a new full-fare ticket!

ATOC have since issued guidance on this matter, and if that guidance is followed by Virgin, would ensure no charge is made for a passenger boarding at Stockport, with a Manchester to London ticket.

 

[Harlesden]

I was happy to pay £4.70 (Newark-Lincoln) to stop short on the Newark-Grimsby Town segment of my London King's Cross-Grimsby Town Advance ticket at Lincoln (for a ride on a Stagecoach bus). Both the Advance and the £4.70 single arrived in envelopes bearing the same return address although ordered from two separate TOC websites.

 

[yorkie]

I was happy to pay £4.70 (Newark-Lincoln) to stop short on the Newark-Grimsby Town segment of my London King's Cross-Grimsby Town Advance ticket at Lincoln (for a ride on a Stagecoach bus). Both the Advance and the £4.70 single arrived in envelopes bearing the same return address although ordered from two separate TOC websites.

East Coast's policy is in line with the guidance issued by ATOC, not to charge you an excess fare for doing that (not that they'd be able to detect you doing that - but that's another matter!)

I don't know why some people such as jb seem to want TOCs to go against both common sense and ATOC guidelines, and for passengers to be unreasonably penalised for doing something that most people would consider 'reasonable', the results of an ORR study are interesting (page 15) "64% of those who bought Advance tickets were not aware that they had to get off the train at the station named on the ticket".

Everyone is entitled to their views, though some I cannot comprehend, but fortunately the people who make the important decisions have made the right choices, in favour of the customer.

 

[VauxhallandI]

East Coast's policy is in line with the guidance issued by ATOC, not to charge you an excess fare for doing that (not that they'd be able to detect you doing that - but that's another matter!)

I don't know why some people such as jb seem to want TOCs to go against both common sense and ATOC guidelines, and for passengers to be unreasonably penalised for doing something that most people would consider 'reasonable', the results of an ORR study are interesting (page 15) "64% of those who bought Advance tickets were not aware that they had to get off the train at the station named on the ticket".

Everyone is entitled to their views, though some I cannot comprehend, but fortunately the people who make the important decisions have made the right choices, in favour of the customer.

So I could have saved myself a taxi to Timperley and the tram to Picc and gone straight to Stockport.

Nevermind

 

[PG]

East Coast's policy is in line with the guidance issued by ATOC, not to charge you an excess fare for doing that (not that they'd be able to detect you doing that - but that's another matter!)

I don't know why some people such as jb seem to want TOCs to go against both common sense and ATOC guidelines, and for passengers to be unreasonably penalised for doing something that most people would consider 'reasonable', the results of an ORR study are interesting (page 15) "64% of those who bought Advance tickets were not aware that they had to get off the train at the station named on the ticket".

Everyone is entitled to their views, though some I cannot comprehend, but fortunately the people who make the important decisions have made the right choices, in favour of the customer.

So, if I understand this correctly, is it now acceptable to stop and/or start short on an Advance ticket?

 

[hairyhandedfool]

....I don't know why some people such as jb seem to want TOCs to go against both common sense and ATOC guidelines, and for passengers to be unreasonably penalised for doing something that most people would consider 'reasonable', the results of an ORR study are interesting (page 15) "64% of those who bought Advance tickets were not aware that they had to get off the train at the station named on the ticket".....

I can't speak for jb, but I'd be happy to have:

• Rules that are rules.
• Common sense that is actually common sense.
• ATOC guidelines that agree with ATOC set rules.
• Passengers who read the T&Cs of their tickets.
• Passengers who abide by those T&Cs.
• Passengers who accept the consequences of breaking the T&Cs.

Though I suspect we won't get any of that any time soon.

 

[VauxhallandI]

I can't speak for jb, but I'd be happy to have:

• Rules that are rules.
• Common sense that is actually common sense.
• ATOC guidelines that agree with ATOC set rules.
• Passengers who read the T&Cs of their tickets.
• Passengers who abide by those T&Cs.
• Passengers who accept the consequences of breaking the T&Cs.

Though I suspect we won't get any of that any time soon.

Some of those should happen to a greater extent if the others were realised.

I'd like to walk around some peoples houses and let them talk me through all the t&c's of the equipment they have bought.

Especially if god forbid they may have a change in circumstance or scope after the moment of purchase.