gordonthemoron
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I think that it should be legal in the UK for cyclists to go the wrong way down a one way street, they can in Holland & Germany
I think that it should be legal in the UK for cyclists to go the wrong way down a one way street, they can in Holland & Germany
But when theres an empty pavement on a 40 road they should be a little considerate of us that want to do 40. And we pay road tax :-P that ought to ruffle a few feathers... but considering the amount we pay (ridiculous really) it should be our right to be able to get to decent speeds without cyclists blocking a lane and not wearing any hi-vis on a blind bend...
Why not get a smaller car?
And to take it further, if it is draining you, why have a car - it's not essential and the majority of people on the planet will never own a car, so you can live without.
Well he is not the one that is the "idiot" (your words).I hate to be this forward but I own A moped so I have a little more contact with cyclists and In majority I believe there idiots.For example yesterday I overtook one whilst approaching a T junction but with a clear road and with enough time to correct my position ready for my left turn off the junction I pulled up and gave way to passing traffic.
This idiot cyclist decided to overtake me whilst I was giving way to traffic at a junction even though a had started to pull off clearly not displaying any road awareness.
Now at this point I know the rules and what not and I usually know to chill out and not get annoyed so I opened my visor and just said "excuse me what do you think your doing" which was in my annoyance replied with "doing a better job on two wheels than you" so I thought sod it and followed right behind him for about 30 seconds continuously beeping at him till he stop and stuck the middle finger up.
The lesson here is don't give a cyclist an inch cause they will always take a mile.
me123 - how can I possibly take that post seriously when you moan at cyclists going through red lights because they are not allowed to, yet you actually suggest that they go on the pavement, which they are also not allowed to?
I've already argued the reasons why I disagree with the absurd point that LesJordans made which I am astounded you agree with so I won't go there again.
Your post is a daft rant that contradicts itself and seems to be mostly going on about car drivers behaving badly and suggesting the solution is for cyclists to be off the roads - absurd!
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Well he is not the one that is the "idiot" (your words).
You admit overtaking a cyclists before immediately turning left? That's a no-no.
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"DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
So you disobeyed the highway code. No wonder he said what he said.
- approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road"
You then admit intimidating behaviour by "followed right behind him for about 30 seconds continuously beeping at him"
The Highway code says
"The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively."
So, you admit to breaking the highway code TWICE, and yet call others "idiots"? That's incredible.
What part of "DO NOT" don't you understand? Do you think it means "DO?"!
The "lesson" is actually that you should read and understand and obey the highway code yourself!
Yes it is called road rage and you should be ashamed not proud!
If you were approaching a junction you should not overtake it's as simple as that.
Did you allow as much space as you would a car? Did you move in a long way ahead of the cyclist? If you did these things then you were, arguably, not "approaching" the junction at all, yet you said you were. How long before the junction were you?
You talk about arrogance, but there's nothing more arrogant than a road user overtaking a cyclist only to stop in front of them, or turn left in front of them.
The fact that he was able to overtake you kind of suggests that it was pointless you overtaking him, does it not?
No excuse for the aggressive use of the horn and being proud? that's not right.
You may have followed the Highway Code with the first thing, but your initial post suggested otherwise. Unless you give a distance it can only be speculation, and even then it would be subjective. What I would say is that what you think is enough space may not be what he thinks is enough space. Clearly, by his reaction, he felt it was not enough space.
As for him pulling off, you do contradict by saying you were "giving way" and you were also "about to pull out". Ideally only one vehicle should turn a corner at a junction at one time but it is a fact that often another vehicle will make a turn at the same time as another where one is narrow, such as a bike. Where you have 2 bikes side by side, while not ideal, if they are both going the same way and both aware of that, there shouldn't be a problem providing it's done sensibly. Obviously it's difficult to judge this particular incident as I can only go by what you have posted.
But what is really wrong is using the horn aggressively and you said in a subsequent post that you would do so again, and then said you were proud of it. Now you admit it was wrong, but then go on to say you are "happy" at what you did. Admitting it was wrong is a start, but I'm not going to agree with you that using the horn aggressively is something to be "happy with" or "proud" of. If you want to think that, then I can't stop you, and we'll have to agree to disagree.
we can agree to disagreeOkay fair enough let's be honest here I don't wanna continue to diagrre with someone over the internet as these thing take way too long.
Ahh, so it's about you not liking him "queue jumping". But earlier you said you overtook him as you were both approaching a junction. By saying he was "queue jumping" it kind of suggests that you thought it was your 'right' to be at the front of the queue, but you were only at the front by overtaking on the approach to the junction, which the Highway Code says you "must not" do.But all I will say is that My overtaking was done in a respectful lawful manner as I had no trouble stopping slowly after for the junction.
Also I felt they way addressed this fellow when he was pushing through the queue was also fair and lawful.
Well, we'll agree to disagree then. I agree with the Highway Code saying that horns "must not be used aggressively" and you don't. So we'll leave it at that!The rest of what I did was wrong and but I am happy with this because the alternative would be to let someone get away not only being rude but causing danger to me because I was about to move off.
I didn't assault him I plainly just annoyed and shocked him because I knew within my own judgment he could handle this and as it goes "Don't give it if you can't take it"
But if you understand my point of view or not Yorkie it's safe to say we should leave this as both of us are clearly getting annoyed about the situation and are opposite sides of this spectrum.
Yes, Yorkie and Max are right, you shouldn't do that.
By yorkie, youre in an especially argumentative mood tonight!
I drive, and frankly, I would be disgusted if somebody persisted to beep their horn at me for 30 seconds! It seems rather childish, and the guy who said he was doing a better job on the roads simply had his point confirmed by this act, surely?
What facts have been bypassed?Sorry just looked at this and although once again I did something wrong I admit but im surprised that yet another moderator see's it fit to completely by-pass the rest of the facts just to knock me down a peg or two.
Sorry I don't mean this personal but really it's all abit one sided.
Maybe you just need to lighten up a bit, or at least keep your feelings to yourself.
me123 - how can I possibly take that post seriously when you moan at cyclists going through red lights because they are not allowed to, yet you actually suggest that they go on the pavement, which they are also not allowed to?
Ridiculous! You admit it's not their fault, so why don't you blame the people whose fault it is then, and ask them to correct their bad behaviour instead of asking cyclists to give up their rights?I've seen many people nearly have a car accident by overtaking cyclists. The accidents are, of course, not their fault. But I strongly feel that they should clear out of the way from time to time on certain roads to prevent this.
Which is why dangerous overtaking should NOT be done. So why don't you have a go at the people who do it instead of having a go at cyclists?:roll:Why? Because innocent motorists coming in the opposite direction can be affected and because the cyclists can also be injured.
Do you think that the cars that gridlock my city on a daily basis making average speeds about walking pace should do the same and pull aside to let cyclists past? Or is that "different"?I'm not saying remove cyclists, but maybe they should clear out of the way from cars from time to time. It's courtesy that slow traffic in general does that. (Tractors pull into laybays, for example).
Cyclists are the problem? No, it's the dangerous motorists who overtake in contravention of the Highway Code are the problem.I'm not saying mount a pavement in London City Centre, which would be dangerous. I have one or two particular roads in mind where cyclists are a major problem.
No, it's illegal and a totally daft suggestion. cyclists have the right to use the road, and you can't deny that right.And mounting the pavement and stopping to let cars through is often the safest option if they're not near a passing place/parking place.
Do you respect that right? You just said they should be on the pavement in some places!Now, I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't admit that cyclists sometimes annoy me, but I do respect their right to be on the road and they do have every right to be there.
That's just a general rant with no actual point to it, not relevant to this discussion.It must be nice to live in a little utopia, where everything is black and white. But wake up, Yorkie. The police do not go out beating up people on a daily basis, neither are they a perfect force that does everything right 100% of the time. Trainspotters are not always innocent victims of outrageous police brutality when they are asked to leave a station.
Why is the solution for cyclists to go on the pavement? Surely the solution is to stop these "dangerous morons" from driving?And a surprisingly large number of road users are impatient morons who will risk other people's lives just to bypass a slow cyclist, and they will never be removed from the road.
But equally if the cyclist gave him plenty of room to also make the turn then he acted reasonably too.Phoenix - if you passed the cyclist leaving him/her plenty of room and had time to correct your road position before reaching the junction then I believed you acted quite reasonably
But equally if the cyclist gave him plenty of room to also make the turn then he acted reasonably too.
And when you say he acted reasonably, does beeping the horn aggressively and repeatedly count as reasonable behaviour?
But your argument against him was that he was "queue jumping", which is quite staggering given that you overtook him shortly before a junction!
Any chance of seeing this junction on Bing Maps or Google Maps? I'd be particularly interested to see if there's an ASL there.