SWR: Guards/RMT Industrial Action. Next actions: 22, 27 & 31 December 2018

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  1. theironroad

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    RMT have announced further dates in the guards dispute on SWR with no rest day working or late changes to guards duties from 0001 Good Friday 30/3 to 2359 Easter Monday 2/4

    Details on rmt website and Twitter
     
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  3. Robertj21a

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    I'm sure it can't just be me who has got totally lost as to what the RMT expect to achieve, other than losing money for their members. All a bit ironic really.
     
  4. footprints

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    You can tell the RMT are getting desperate by the embarrassing rant that serves as a press release announcing this action. Toys well and truly thrown out of the pram.
     
  5. OxtedSignaller

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    The RMT are just trying to force their political mantra upon everyone. A Union is there to protect its staff and their livelihoods end of the day not reminance over the good old days where we had second men fireman guards etc etc. The fact they haven’t come up with an agreement on Southern Rail really says it all and I honestly believe the way they’ve handled it has lost members hard earned T&Cs there is OBS doing 11 hour days/40 your weeks with Sunday’s inside the working week lost overtime, lost commission etc etc. All because they couldn’t be bothered to negotiate their members terms and conditions.
     
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    RMT Buzzword Bingo press release available here: https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-confirms-industrial-action-on-south-western-railway160318/

    Clowns.
     
  7. Sonic1982

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    See we have the usual anti RMT bashers out today.
     
  8. XDM

    XDM On Moderation

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    Surprised RMT haven't demanding the return of the man walking with a red flag in front of the loco.
     
  9. AlterEgo

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    Tell your union to do better comms. It isn’t hard.

    They’ve already cost their Southern members nearly a whole month’s pay packet for zilch. Part of the issue is their constant shouting in the press, which everyone either ignores or laughs at.
     
  10. 74A

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    So the OBS are on a 40 hour week is that correct ?
     
  11. Bromley boy

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    To be fair a signaller has criticised them above and he or she is likely to be an RMT member. Similarly I doubt many GTR OBS (ex guards) are too happy about the union’s failure to recognise the grade.

    In fact I suspect much of their membership is unhappy with the way the union has conducted itself recently, to the detriment of its members.
     
  12. ANorthernGuard

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    Its always the same posters. Try and ignore them and yes I know it certainly isn't easy
     
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    The RMT press release refers to SWT plans not to have a safety critical guard across this franchise. From all that I have seen they have declared no such intention, but if RMT refuse to believe what they are told then the strikes will go on indefinitely.
     
  14. pompeyfan

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    SWR want the ability to run services without a 2nd member of staff when operationally convenient, but will continue to roster a 2nd member of staff for the duration of the franchise.

    The OBS commission set up is interesting. It’s beneficial for small fares, but isn’t good for weekly sales etc.

    I find it surprising that OBS’ are being rostered 11 hour days and not being paid for it. Perhaps someone could clarify that point.

    Poor form for a Railway person to put down another persons grade... that’s like a driver saying platform staff are unnecessary... we’re all a team and we should all have each other’s back... I’m sure if another Railway grade started saying signallers are not needed you’d be none to pleased.
     
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    Automatic Route Setting...
     
  16. Emmsie

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    I left a while ago but never did an 11 hour shift, I think the longest shift was 10 hours 20 minutes but bear in mind this does include all breaks of which there are many. Its 1 Sunday in 3 but rostered 1 on 1 off 1 on 3 off. No disrespect but I will never have a job paying so much money for so little work again and quite frankly I was flabbergasted at how many didn't even bother doing the little expected of them.
     
  17. farleigh

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    Do you have to be in a union if you work on the railway?
     
  18. pompeyfan

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    Not necessarily, but lower management will usually unofficially advise it. They do make you aware that RMT/Aslef isn’t the only option though. There is another ‘Micky mouse’ Union that looks after both but isn’t officially recognised anywhere.
     
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    Thanks
     
  20. Emmsie

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    Nope you don't and as at the time the RMT was not recognising the OBS role most of the new staff couldn't join anyway
     
  21. AlterEgo

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    You’re brave. :)
     
  22. Emmsie

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    I need an emoji with a head peeping over the parapet. Sadly its true.
     
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    Can anyone explain what these sections say? Can't find anything helpful on Google.
     
  24. theironroad

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    Not verbatim, but in each guard and drivers base roster are duties known as 'as ordered' . These will have a notional signing on and off time , maybe 0600- 1400. The provisons in the agreement mean that when shown as ordered, those times can be moved and extended to cover a duty that may be uncovered due to a host of reasons, such as vacancy,sickness,training etc etc .

    On SWR those 'AO' duties can be moved up to 2 hours and extended uptown 2 hours. So in normal circumstances, f you are 0600 in the base roster you could actual start at any time between 0400-0800 and the original 8 hour duty can be extended upto 9.5 hours for drivers and I think 11 hours for guards. You only know the amended start time 36 hours before hand. It is all about flexible rostering to allow the company to cover duties while having less staff.

    It's a nightmare for planning stuff outside of work , as that original 1400 notional finish could actually be 1730 for a driver if moved and extended.

    My understanding is that rmt guards and drivers will not move from their base rostered start and finish time during the industrial action, so it makes it hard to cover whole duties that need covering.
     
  25. cactustwirly

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    Oh great! Another pointless RMT strike.
     
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    "Guards in strike in bid to retain the right to strike"
     
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    Southern conductors both before and after the major DOO / OBS implementation could (and can) be rostered for up to 10 and a half hours on weekdays, longer on Saturdays and longer still on Sundays. Considering there's basically no way they can leave a train if it becomes delayed, that has been known to effectively result in regular 12 hour days on certain bits of the roster, once you also take into account getting to work in good time.

    In other words, the OBS role's hours were broadly accepted in one form or another for conductors, and as such have actually never been a highlight of the RMT's opposition to the various parts of the rollout of DOO trains and the OBS role.

    I don't believe there's any industry/occupation in Great Britain where trade union membership is permitted to be compulsory, though the railway industry is probably as close as it gets to making you feel that it is.

    If by the "Micky mouse" Union you mean TSSA, it definitely is recognised in some places, but membership is often so small as to have little clout if said union calls out its member (not a typo) on strike at a particular location! Not that they'd necessarily want to do that anyway.
     
  28. pompeyfan

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    I was on about ATCU, I used that term as that’s what the boys in the big unions use, but I mean no disrespect to them, their members seem happy enough.
     
  29. swills

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    LOL ! If it were not for Signallers over-seeing A.R.S you'd be going all over the place ! :)
     
  30. the sniper

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    Outside of the railway, do you faithfully hang on every word put out in press releases by the state and private companies to give you an accurate picture of the actual intentions of said organisations...? I appreciate everyone hates the RMT for knocking over their railway occasionally (this feat is very often easily achieved without RMT assistance) in this end game, but the blind faith shown in private companies and railway management by many people here is quite bemusing to me. They really don't respect you as much as you respect them! :lol:

    There are a number of TOCs at the moment playing their cards very close to their chests, in a lesson learnt from Southern and Northern. This tactic has had mixed results across different TOCs in quelling potential industrial action, successfully in the likes of WMT, not so successfully in the case of SWR, but has been entirely successful in getting the public and particularly people here to believe a lack of publicly stated intention means that nothing is planned. :rolleyes:
     
  31. BestWestern

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    You do have keep in mind, however, that most of these people endured a sustained hate campaign from their own employer, which isn't great for motivation...
     

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