SWR Metro fleet permanent withdrawals

[lumitumey12345]

How many 455s are still on the books with SWR?

 

[Siemens Staines]

Lucky that it's a Friday and fewer people will be going into the office, during the midweek there's no way they could get away with that

@Siemens Staines has 455718 worked this year? That's another one I haven't seen in service for a while

talk of the devil;

Realtime Trains | 2V49 1707 London Waterloo to London Waterloo | 14/02/2025

Real-time train running information for 2V49 1707 departure from London Waterloo to London Waterloo on 14/02/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[nctd2306]

Well what do you know, it returns!
Good to see it back, now let's hope some of the others can follow suit

 

[XCTurbostar]

A path has appeared for a ROG loco on the 17th along with this path on the 18th from Wimbledon to Long Marston. Interesting headcode and timed as a DMU for some reason.. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K28756/2025-02-18/detailed

Edit should be 458532 and 57303

 

[Class15]

A path has appeared for a ROG loco on the 17th along with this path on the 18th from Wimbledon to Long Marston. Interesting headcode and timed as a DMU for some reason.. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K28756/2025-02-18/detailed

Edit should be 458532 and 57303

What a bizarre routing via Basingstoke. Why on earth can’t they just take the direct route?

 

[alanc]

What a bizarre routing via Basingstoke. Why on earth can’t they just take the direct route?

7Q99 is 37901 + 458532 + 37510

 

[DelW]

What a bizarre routing via Basingstoke. Why on earth can’t they just take the direct route?

Which direct route did you have in mind?

There's a route via Clapham Junction, the West London Line, Willesden Junction and Acton Wells, but those are busy lines and I think paths might be hard to obtain.

There are various ways to get to Reading via Wokingham, but all seem to need a reversal on a 3rd rail running line, which would be problematic.

Unless I've missed another route, via Basingstoke with a reversal in the sidings seems like the least worst option.

 

[Class15]

Which direct route did you have in mind?

There's a route via Clapham Junction, the West London Line, Willesden Junction and Acton Wells, but those are busy lines and I think paths might be hard to obtain.

It’s been done many times before. I don’t recall these drags going via Basingstoke before.

 

[Big Jumby 74]

Which direct route did you have in mind?

There's a route via Clapham Junction, the West London Line, Willesden Junction and Acton Wells, but those are busy lines and I think paths might be hard to obtain.

There are various ways to get to Reading via Wokingham, but all seem to need a reversal on a 3rd rail running line, which would be problematic.

Unless I've missed another route, via Basingstoke with a reversal in the sidings seems like the least worst option.

Spot on. I appreciate that post Covid the timetable has been reduced in various ways, but prior to that there simply were not any spare paths out of (or in to) Wimbledon depot in any direction between about 0530 and through the morning peak (week days). In the original (SWT) 10 car plan a number of previous booked Wimbledon depot starts had to be relocated (ie to the new elec sidings at Woking) to free up paths out of Wimbledon depot for diagrams associated directly with the 10 car theme.
Even with todays reduced service pattern (what ever that entails, I know not) I am still a little surprised they have found a westbound path available given one has to cross the UMS, UMF to get to DMF.

 

[DelW]

It’s been done many times before. I don’t recall these drags going via Basingstoke before.

Depending how long ago those were, maybe Liz Line taking over the GWML reliefs made paths from Acton Wells to Reading more of a problem than previously?

 

[Bigfoot]

What a bizarre routing via Basingstoke. Why on earth can’t they just take the direct route?

Endless posters in a variety of threads complaining about rolling stock being moved by road instead of loco drag, and then when a unit is dragged it's dragged the wrong way because on a map there's a better crayon route. The TOCs FOCs and ROSCOs can't win.

 

[Class15]

Endless posters in a variety of threads complaining about rolling stock being moved by road instead of loco drag, and then when a unit is dragged it's dragged the wrong way because on a map there's a better crayon route. The TOCs FOCs and ROSCOs can't win.

I think you’ll find that none of the posts you are referring to were from me, so I find that comment extremely unfair.

 

[43096]

It’s been done many times before. I don’t recall these drags going via Basingstoke before.

Have you actually looked at the routing via Clapham Junction? Up main fast, then down passenger loop at Clapham to the crossover over the yard throat, then across the entire Windsor line service on the flat to get to the West London Line, avoiding the Overground service. Easy to see how via Basingstoke would be much easier to path.

 

[Bigfoot]

I think you’ll find that none of the posts you are referring to were from me, so I find that comment extremely unfair.

No, but the railway is an operational environment with many things to take into consideration, which so many posters don't understand yet think they know better.

 

[adc82140]

I'd hope that the Rosco hold on to these 458/5s for a bit, rather than a fast track to the scrap man. With the continuing delays to the 701s, at some point someone surely will crack and authorise the C6(?) for these and get them back on lease to SWR.

 

[Goldfish62]

I'd hope that the Rosco hold on to these 458/5s for a bit, rather than a fast track to the scrap man. With the continuing delays to the 701s, at some point someone surely will crack and authorise the C6(?) for these and get them back on lease to SWR.

Agreed. Surely overhauls will have to be authorised on these or 455s or both.

 

[The_Train]

No, but the railway is an operational environment with many things to take into consideration, which so many posters don't understand yet think they know better.

So why not come on here to explain the logic of the move and to help people to understand the mindset of the railway because from the outside looking in, a lot of stock moves look utterly ridiculous. If you have that knowledge then use this forum (which is a space for people to air their views and opinions whether you like them or not) to help instead of just coming on here and ranting

 

[Class15]

Have you actually looked at the routing via Clapham Junction? Up main fast, then down passenger loop at Clapham to the crossover over the yard throat, then across the entire Windsor line service on the flat to get to the West London Line, avoiding the Overground service. Easy to see how via Basingstoke would be much easier to path.

I have indeed looked at the routing at Clapham Junction, and no that is not the easiest route. I assume the line through East Putney and Point Pleasant Jn is still available for use by mainline trains, and, if so, use that to Point Pleasant Jn, then the Windsor lines to Clapham. You no longer have to use that ladder

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I have indeed looked at the routing at Clapham Junction, and no that is not the easiest route. I assume the line through East Putney and Point Pleasant Jn is still available for use by mainline trains, and, if so, use that to Point Pleasant Jn, then the Windsor lines to Clapham. You no longer have to use that ladder

And have half-hourly Portsmouth "fasts" following the tube?

 

[43096]

I have indeed looked at the routing at Clapham Junction, and no that is not the easiest route. I assume the line through East Putney and Point Pleasant Jn is still available for use by mainline trains, and, if so, use that to Point Pleasant Jn, then the Windsor lines to Clapham. You no longer have to use that ladder

But still have to cross the entire Windsor line service and fit in with the Overground services.

 

[Class15]

And have half-hourly Portsmouth "fasts" following the tube?

Sorry if I caused any confusion with the discussion about Portsmouth trains going into the international platforms, but I was actually referring to a one-off drag of a 458 from Wimbledon to Long Marston.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Sorry if I caused any confusion with the discussion about Portsmouth trains going into the international platforms, but I was actually referring to a one-off drag of a 458 from Wimbledon to Long Marston.

Oh I see, sorry. I was going to say, that seemed ambitious for an all day half-hourly express.

 

[Juniper Driver]

What was that 455 coach that was on the low loader at Wimbledon Depot yesterday?

 

[LUYMun]

Been reported this week on a few social media posts that 5852 has been sent away from Wimbledon on an Allelys low loader. Unsure if it's going to the baked beans factory or corrosion repairs workshop.

 

[Class455]

Been reported this week on a few social media posts that 5852 has been sent away from Wimbledon on an Allelys low loader. Unsure if it's going to the baked beans factory or corrosion repairs workshop.

I saw a picture of one of the DTSO’s from 5852 heading up north so believe it’s off to Kilmarnock.

 

[WarrenTManager]

What was that 455 coach that was on the low loader at Wimbledon Depot yesterday?

That was one of 5852 DTS cars. The other went today.

In a nutshell, the transport is Reid’s then it’s a scrap run. If the transport is Allelys then it’s for repair.

Been reported this week on a few social media posts that 5852 has been sent away from Wimbledon on an Allelys low loader. Unsure if it's going to the baked beans factory or corrosion repairs workshop.

 

[markle]

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[Siemens Staines]

Does anyone know how short of 455s SWR is to provide a full peak service? Certainly this morning there seem to be several short formed 4-car services, and more 450s running suburban services than usual.

Four diagrams of 4v8 2*455 according to journeycheck

Train Formation Updates
06:34 Guildford to London Waterloo due 07:40
07:47 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 08:24
08:34 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 09:13
09:20 London Waterloo to Woking due 10:08
10:33 Woking to London Waterloo due 11:22
11:33 London Waterloo to Guildford due 12:39
13:04 Guildford to London Waterloo due 14:08
14:17 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 14:53
15:04 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 15:40
15:50 London Waterloo to Woking due 16:40
17:03 Woking to London Waterloo due 17:52
18:03 London Waterloo to Guildford due 19:09
19:34 Guildford to London Waterloo due 20:37
20:47 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 21:24
21:34 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 22:10
22:20 London Waterloo to Woking due 23:10
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 8. (455710)

07:00 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 08:21
08:27 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 09:48
10:00 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 11:19
11:27 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 12:46
13:00 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 14:19
14:27 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 15:46
16:00 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 17:19
17:27 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 18:48
19:00 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 20:19
20:27 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 21:46
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 8. (455865)

06:58 Guildford to London Waterloo due 08:18
08:33 London Waterloo to Guildford due 09:39
10:04 Guildford to London Waterloo due 11:07
11:17 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 11:53
12:04 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 12:40
12:50 London Waterloo to Woking due 13:38
14:03 Woking to London Waterloo due 14:52
15:03 London Waterloo to Guildford due 16:09
16:34 Guildford to London Waterloo due 17:37
17:47 London Waterloo to Chessington South due 18:24
18:34 Chessington South to London Waterloo due 19:10
19:20 London Waterloo to Woking due 20:09
20:34 Woking to London Waterloo due 21:22
21:33 London Waterloo to Guildford due 22:39
23:07 Guildford to Wimbledon due 23:52
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 8. (455750)

06:15 London Waterloo to Shepperton due 07:16
07:30 Shepperton to London Waterloo due 08:33
08:45 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 10:09
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 8. (455723)

plus one 455 is covering for 2*458/4

05:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 07:08
07:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 08:58
09:07 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 10:30
10:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 12:08
12:33 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 13:57
14:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 15:38
16:03 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 17:25
17:37 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 19:02
19:22 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 20:38
21:03 Weybridge to London Waterloo due 22:27
22:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 00:08
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 8. Disabled toilet facilities are reduced. (455849)

 

[Juniper Driver]

That was one of 5852 DTS cars. The other went today.

In a nutshell, the transport is Reid’s then it’s a scrap run. If the transport is Allelys then it’s for repair.

Thanks for the reply, Warren.Much appreciated.

There is a 455 4 car visible from the main line, and it has a portable tail light on…I'm pretty sure it's a 455/8, and it hasn't moved in days, methinks.

 

[WarrenTManager]

Thanks for the reply, Warren.Much appreciated.

There is a 455 4 car visible from the main line, and it has a portable tail light on…I'm pretty sure it's a 455/8, and it hasn't moved in days, methinks.

5869.