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My post was describing Monday morning (19th) - your screenshot is from today's service (20th).
OK, I understand now.

I have noticed that SWR can run a train between Woking and Portsmouth on the 24 Dec but not the 27 Dec. Both days are strike days for Network Rail. I assume the strike on the 2uth ends at 18:00 and that is why, as their staff not wanting to do overtime would mean it shouldn't be possible to run trains easily before they need to put them to bed, so to speak.
 
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I wonder why the 8th Jan is only "0730 to 1830 only" when on previous days after RMT strike the Sunday service was a near normal service after the first couple hours until the regular end of service.
 

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I wonder why the 8th Jan is only "0730 to 1830 only" when on previous days after RMT strike the Sunday service was a near normal service after the first couple hours until the regular end of service.

Because the previous RMT strikes weren’t preceded by an action short of a strike where staff were doing booked hours only. These previous timetables were also on the May 22 timetable base not the current Dec 22 timetable base which is quite different on some routes. This means a lack of planning resource to come up with a new plan.

People seem to overlook the industrial action also affects the planning teams, being on strike means timetablers aren’t writing timetables in the same way being on strike means guards aren’t guarding trains.

The railway is starting to chase its own tail where the strikes causes the railway to be unable to plan for strikes.
 

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Sorry, no offence meant (to anyone). It was a good career, but to see what's going on today, whereby the industry seems to be heading very much the wrong way, I find the whole thing very sad...:(

Let's not forget also that controllers, planners and other "back office" staff might well be on the same overtime ban if they are in unions (many in TSSA and some RMT, it's all area dependent), meaning the ability to manage the service is severely reduced. Outside of running and preparing a reliable short-term plan, control tasks like: fleet swaps, crew resource management, service recovery and accurate real-time information (which I note many here have highlighted as an issue) might be significantly compromised.

Different TOCs are probably able to approach this differently and have wildly different results dependent on localised morale and union support.
 

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OK, I understand now.

I have noticed that SWR can run a train between Woking and Portsmouth on the 24 Dec but not the 27 Dec. Both days are strike days for Network Rail. I assume the strike on the 2uth ends at 18:00 and that is why, as their staff not wanting to do overtime would mean it shouldn't be possible to run trains easily before they need to put them to bed, so to speak.

I understand the route is under possession over Christmas and as there is a strike taking place there is nobody to take back the possession until too late on the 27th to make running any service possible.
 

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Because the previous RMT strikes weren’t preceded by an action short of a strike where staff were doing booked hours only. These previous timetables were also on the May 22 timetable base not the current Dec 22 timetable base which is quite different on some routes. This means a lack of planning resource to come up with a new plan.

People seem to overlook the industrial action also affects the planning teams, being on strike means timetablers aren’t writing timetables in the same way being on strike means guards aren’t guarding trains.

The railway is starting to chase its own tail where the strikes causes the railway to be unable to plan for strikes.
@Bald Rick has said that many planners are still going in to work but that is a different TOC.

A friend went to Wateeloo tonight at 22:30 and it was closed with lots of people standing outside.

They then legged it to Embankment and got a tube because they could.

No idea what other people did. Perhaps they could have a natter all night until the morning and catch the first train out. Obviously, if they live in London there are alternatives.

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Different TOCs are probably able to approach this differently and have wildly different results dependent on localised morale and union support.
Onva personal note, thus makes it fascinating as i compare what differrnt TOCs do and sre able to do. Thats not to say i sant this situation, i don't.

I understand the route is under possession over Christmas and as there is a strike taking place there is nobody to take back the possession until too late on the 27th to make running any service possible.
Cheers.
 

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When the strikes are affecting Guildford, trains are out berthed on platforms 1, 2, 4, 5, 6
Irrespective of strikes, but in general terms, stabling in Guildford platforms has for decades, probably since before end of steam, been on the understanding that platforms 3 and 8 are kept clear. One aspect being that in winter months a through route is always available for sandites and de-icers etc., but also (generally) that p3 is the most useful platform to have clear (route wise) for most SW trains and p8 for the same reason for GW trains.
 

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I wonder why the 8th Jan is only "0730 to 1830 only" when on previous days after RMT strike the Sunday service was a near normal service after the first couple hours until the regular end of service.
It wasn't last Sunday. Worse service than on strike days.

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As of yesterday (Tuesday) off peak Reading services have started calling at Whitton in both directions. This is only evident from journey planners and Journeycheck. The SWR website still shows the station as completely closed.
 
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It wasn't last Sunday. Worse service than on strike days.

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As of yesterday (Tuesday) off peak Reading services have started calling at Whitton in both directions. This is only evident from journey planners and Journeycheck. The SWR website still shows the station as completely closed.
This limited service at Whitton now means they won’t pay out on Delay Repay for those season ticket holders who still don’t have a service due to needing to travel in the peak.

Smart move. Bring back Void Days.
 

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This limited service at Whitton now means they won’t pay out on Delay Repay for those season ticket holders who still don’t have a service due to needing to travel in the peak.

Smart move. Bring back Void Days.
Earlsfield station is still not being served and surely it would be an even bigger smart move if they provided a service there.

So I doubt it's to save delay repay payouts. Those people are just the losers of a change made for other reasons. As someone once wrote on here, in reply to a comment I made, there will always be winners and losers.
 

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Earlsfield station is still not being served and surely it would be an even bigger smart move if they provided a service there.

So I doubt it's to save delay repay payouts. Those people are just the losers of a change made for other reasons. As someone once wrote on here, in reply to a comment I made, there will always be winners and losers.
The timetable won't have been structured that way to avoid payouts - but equally, SWR are highly likely to be in breach of contract by refusing to pay out Delay Repay. The problem is that it is almost impossible to bring a class action for this kind of issue, and so they will get away with it.
 

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There are many toys being thrown out of the pram about the idea of DOO, but ironically enough if the Desiros were DOO operated then we wouldn't have this reduced timetable.
Firstly not possible on desiros as it has been pointed out before. Secondly other staff are involved in operating a train service, not just the driver.
 

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Earlsfield station is still not being served and surely it would be an even bigger smart move if they provided a service there.

So I doubt it's to save delay repay payouts. Those people are just the losers of a change made for other reasons. As someone once wrote on here, in reply to a comment I made, there will always be winners and losers.
Earlsfield is now being served off peak too.
 

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Earlsfield is now being served off peak too.
Well the local MP had some effect then or SWR were hoping to do it anyway but couldn't until they had seen how it went in terms of passenger numbers.
 

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Looking at RTT it looks like there are additional trains running that haven’t been advertised. There’s currently a 2Z37 Salisbury stopper at Basingstoke, and a 2W90 at Southampton Central to Winchester amongst others.
 

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Mr Clifton went on to post this update:
I’m told officially by @SW_Help that a few extra services are running and “only” 150 guards are spending all day on duty drinking tea as “spare” turns, as “40 something %” of trains are operating, with Clapham depot closed entirely.

Does anyone know how many guards would be set spare on an average week day?
 

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Earlsfield station is still not being served and surely it would be an even bigger smart move if they provided a service there.

So I doubt it's to save delay repay payouts. Those people are just the losers of a change made for other reasons. As someone once wrote on here, in reply to a comment I made, there will always be winners and losers.
I’ve heard that Earlsfield isn’t served in the peaks purely because the demand outstrips capacity on the trains. From comments on here that the trains are full by London Road and Effingham Junction, I would imagine that Earlsfield in the peak, with around half its normal service no one would get on a train anyway, even if they did stop. Better to already direct them to other modes than ultimately not get anywhere at all?
 

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I’ve heard that Earlsfield isn’t served in the peaks purely because the demand outstrips capacity on the trains. From comments on here that the trains are full by London Road and Effingham Junction, I would imagine that Earlsfield in the peak, with around half its normal service no one would get on a train anyway, even if they did stop. Better to already direct them to other modes than ultimately not get anywhere at all?
Same with Whitton. Trains are full by Feltham so no one can board at Twickenham and Richmond so pointless in calling at Whitton.
 

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Looking at RTT it looks like there are additional trains running that haven’t been advertised. There’s currently a 2Z37 Salisbury stopper at Basingstoke, and a 2W90 at Southampton Central to Winchester amongst others.

I noticed that extra Basingstoke train when I was at Andover station earlier, hanging over some money to the friendly ticket office gentleman in exchange for a new season ticket.
 

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I worked an extra peak time train today to Surbiton which called at Earlsfield, it seems they're slowly adding extra trains.
 

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He seems to have overlooked the fact it isn’t just guards taking industrial action and the number of guards isn’t the limiting factor in the train service running on SWR.
Or maybe he's wondering why SWR is worse affected than most other companies.
 

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I’ve heard that Earlsfield isn’t served in the peaks purely because the demand outstrips capacity on the trains. From comments on here that the trains are full by London Road and Effingham Junction, I would imagine that Earlsfield in the peak, with around half its normal service no one would get on a train anyway, even if they did stop. Better to already direct them to other modes than ultimately not get anywhere at all?
You’re right. 4 days of the first Guildford-Waterloo train this week and if we’d have stopped at Earlsfield nobody or minimal would have got on.
 

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Rewind a few months, and the mere notion of Earlsfield having no service whatsoever (or even just in the peaks) is simply mind-boggling.
 

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Same with Whitton. Trains are full by Feltham so no one can board at Twickenham and Richmond so pointless in calling at Whitton.
This doesn't help and will only further contribute to overcrowding at the next station.

If trains don't stop at Earlsfield people will just go to the next station, Clapham Junction, to board the same train. Similarly at Witton that people will just go to Twickenham to board the same train.
 

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Same with Whitton. Trains are full by Feltham so no one can board at Twickenham and Richmond so pointless in calling at Whitton.
Playing devils advocate, why do they call at Twickenham and Richmond if no one can board?

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I worked an extra peak time train today to Surbiton which called at Earlsfield, it seems they're slowly adding extra trains.
I wonder are more shunters working than they expected? Meaning they can get more trains into service.
 
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Playing devils advocate, shy do they call at Twickenham and Richmond if no one can board?
There is a flow of passengers I’ve noticed, which, if the up Reading train is slightly late and/or the ex Strawberry Hill is slightly early, lots of people will change platforms to move onto the faster service. Often, sometimes in rush hour the 2K service is considerably quieter leaving Twickenham.
 
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