Can they see where it is tapped in?
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Yeah it has changed I believe it’s a new device that’s been rolled out in the last few years. I saw GWR RPIs at Henley using them this week, they were getting people to talk out on readers then inspecting on the device (pretty sure would’ve caused a penalty charge on the old ones).
Not sure what they can see, but I would presume so. They can definitely see if it has been used for a journey as some people were having their card inspected then getting taken for interview. Given it being people going to the regatta and the amount I doubt they were all blocked cards. I’m pretty sure I remember reports on here a while back that the new readers could do this. I assume if they can see they were tapped, they will be able to see where.
miklcct
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SL supports registering discount on contactless payment cards
Therefore, the technology is already possible and there is no reason why TfL can't do that.
Therefore, the technology is already possible and there is no reason why TfL can't do that.
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Genuine question, since I don't know how RP is done in London, are any RP checks done actually deep in the tunnels as opposed to around the barriers?
In Paris, RP is almost always done around the barrier area by funneling exits, which is at or near ground level with proper connectivity all the time.
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Yes, RPIs will check an entire carriage between stations.
Occasionally, it’s certainly not the normal journey experience.
Ralph Ayres
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The technology appears to be in the "back office" for calculating fares post-journey rather than on the card itself, and may involve a level of trust that the payment card user is the same person as qualifies for the discount. Sweden may also have less stringent privacy/data protection rules; TfL go to some lengths to keep the journey history and the actual end-of-day payment request as separate as possible. Sweden also seems to have rather fewer ways to qualify for discounted travel which will simplify any checks made. TfL would need access to the Railcard sales database and similar records for students/unemployed to prevent fraudulent registering of qualification for a discount as the electronic equivalent of a member of staff looking at the Railcard or other proof before setting a discount on Oyster.
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I doubt it
Then, it could continue the same system of having to go in-person to validate the discount once per year, I don't see anything wrong with it.
With AVS (Adress Verification Service) which can verify the name and address of the person, you could technically apply the discount to the TfL account as a whole without that much risk.
From what you've said the new device appears to have a mode of checking that doesn't leave a revenue inspection mark. They are probably checking the online database to see a touch in having just witnessed you touching out. This method does have drawbacks given that it can take several (15 or so) minutes for a touch to appear in the online database. They also have to cope with the fact that sometimes readers at a station can become detatched from the network. A few years ago this happened at Kidbrooke and all the touches arrived at the central database up to two weeks after they had been made.
miklcct
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The system of OVpay (the PAYG system in Netherlands) must be real time - the exit gate won't open if you haven't touched in.
I was once slammed by a gate which wouldn't open by touching on an exit gate for the wrong network at a shared station. Previously it would lead to two incomplete journeys before the gates were changed to exit refusal without an entry.
So the technology for real-time touches is already there as well.
Back to Windsor! Just to point out that the readers are almost certainly there as part of the established SWR Touch Smartcard scheme, as seen in all SWR stations for some time now. The Touch card can also be used to carry prepaid conventional single and return tickets and day Travelcards (which is why I use one). All as well as Tap2Go. Railcard discounts are applied as well.
Or the gatelines simply are linked such that they prevent pass back, just like they do in the UK...?
Not sure if the UK prevents contactless pass back, though.
The NS gates clearly show whether a touch is an entry or an exit when using a CPC even on standalone readers like those at Schiphol, so it definitely does know if a card's been touched in centrally. I suspect, unlike those in the UK, all of NS' gates (and those of the local transit systems/Arriva etc) are networked in real time though - they're all the same manufacturer across the entire country and I've noticed there can be a half-second delay at times between touch and gate release.
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Although I no longer commute in London, I have seen it at central London interchange passageways at rush hour, and on trains off-peak.
But in all the years I was using tube daily (1988-2014) only saw it 3 or 4 times, so I estimate would encounter one about every 2500 journeys. To put it another way if penalty was flat £1000, would be average penalty of 40p per journey. Which seems rather low relative to ticket price.
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