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On a story about a trespass incident, the photo for the article was some stock shot of a 450 somewhere.

2 things jump out at me:
1) Why is it out and about with no lights, I thought they needed lights when they aren't parked up?
2) Where is that? My first glance made me think it was overhead only, but the second look looks like it has third rail behind the yellowy thingy.

So, is there anywhere in SWT land where the track is dual powered? Either way, where is that?
 
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1) Why is it out and about with no lights, I thought they needed lights when they aren't parked up?
2) Where is that? My first glance made me think it was overhead only, but the second look looks like it has third rail behind the yellowy thingy.

So, is there anywhere in SWT land where the track is dual powered? Either way, where is that?

It's on test in Germany. Wildenwrath test track isn't it, a popular picture used many times...
 
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Indeed, it didn't look like it was in public passenger service here in England, especially as the overhead line equipment looks slightly different and there is only one set of unit numbers on the front! (Usually there would be one on the opposite side of the gangway too)
 

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That would explain why everything about it looks off then!
<Insert grumble about the local paper not being bothered to do anything>
 

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It's 450001 on test at the Wildenwrath test track in Germany. :)
 

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old dalby?

No, the former Down line is 25kV AC OHLE, installed by Alstom for testing the Class 390 Pendolino. The former Up line is 630V DC 4th rail, installed by Metronet for testing the LU S Stock. So not dual-voltage in such, just parallel lines with different electrification.

The only (or many!) places in the country with dual AC/DC OHLE/3rd rail are Thameslink Farringdon-City and WLL North Pole as well as Ashford International P3-6. More sections popping up in future, especially if I have forgotten to list some here...

(Wikipedia is not a good source! Neither am I though, it seems...)
 
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In reverse there's pictures of night time testing of a 12 car 350/1 at Basingstoke.
 

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The only places in the country with dual AC/DC OHLE/3rd rail are Thameslink Farringdon-City and WLL North Pole as well as Ashford International P3-6. May be more sections popping up in future, especially if I have forgotten to list some here...

You forgot the longest dual section: Euston to Camden Junction (nearly a mile and a half long).

Additionally, there are changes between the two at Acton on the NLL, and at Ebbsfleet on the North Kent connection to HS1. (Also at Fawkham junction, but that;s no longer used.)
 

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No, the former Down line is 25kV AC OHLE, installed by Alstom for testing the Class 390 Pendolino. The former Up line is 630V DC 4th rail, installed by Metronet for testing the LU S Stock. So not dual-voltage in such, just parallel lines with different electrification.

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The up line also has 25kv electrification as well as 630v DC third and fourth rail electrification......
 

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No, the former Down line is 25kV AC OHLE, installed by Alstom for testing the Class 390 Pendolino. The former Up line is 630V DC 4th rail, installed by Metronet for testing the LU S Stock. So not dual-voltage in such, just parallel lines with different electrification.

The only places in the country with dual AC/DC OHLE/3rd rail are Thameslink Farringdon-City and WLL North Pole as well as Ashford International P3-6. May be more sections popping up in future, especially if I have forgotten to list some here...

(Wikipedia is not a good source!)

you learn something every day - i assumed it was dual powered!
 

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There's a bit at Watford Jn, originally to let 313s reach the main line to go back south ECS.
And if I remember correctly there are a few hundred yards at Hunt's Cross where the OHLE from Allerton Jn peters out on 3rd rail Merseyrail (ex-CLC), before it too runs out to the east of the station.
Must be some at Dollonds Moor too, from Saltwood Tunnel until the routes divide.

There may be some coming up at Reading (and Basingstoke) before too long, when the GW wires go up.
 

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There may be some coming up at Reading (and Basingstoke) before too long, when the GW wires go up.

Indeed. Platforms 13, 14 and 15 (ie those that can access the Southern diveunder) have provision for third rail to be installed in the future.

An interesting time coming up.
 

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No, the former Down line is 25kV AC OHLE, installed by Alstom for testing the Class 390 Pendolino. The former Up line is 630V DC 4th rail, installed by Metronet for testing the LU S Stock. So not dual-voltage in such, just parallel lines with different electrification.

The only places in the country with dual AC/DC OHLE/3rd rail are Thameslink Farringdon-City and WLL North Pole as well as Ashford International P3-6. May be more sections popping up in future, especially if I have forgotten to list some here...

(Wikipedia is not a good source!)

Isn't there a changeover section on the line between Finsbury Park and Moorgate?
 

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Isn't there a short section around Speke Junction, between Liverpool South Parkway and Hunt's X?
 

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There used to be a dual section on the NLL before it was all standardised I believe. Wasn't it between Dalson Kingsland and Hackney Wick, where everything would use OHLE, but 3rd rail was reatined as a fail safe, good idea in theory tbh.
 

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Unless it's a specialist railway magazine, journalists just grab the first stock photo they find of a train. They probably concern themselves more with the proportons than the content. Journos tend not to do more than they have to, a recent copy of 'Rail' magazine appeared to me to be mostly lightly rehashed industry press releases.
 

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To be fair, that's all that's needed for most mainstream media. Especially if seeking out a photo would delay publishing a story (or even seeing it caped completely). It will happen in just about every industry I bet, but you only notice the ones you know something about.
 

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You would think that the Portsmouth local paper would already have a stock photograph of one of the stations in Portsmouth.

For a story about an incident at Fratton, a stock picture of Fratton would make more sense than a stock photo of a 450 surely?
 

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Local papers probably have terrible budgets these days and maybe not even a picture editor, relying on a terribly outdated and never properly built library.

Our local paper uses some pretty ropey images to support stories, such as road accidents or something involving the police. Presumably because they can't afford to send someone out to take a photo at the scene, even though it's in the local area. So we'll get an aerial shot of a motorway or a picture of a police car with the caption 'Police car'.

There was also a time where it was probably accepted that someone would just nick a picture from a Google search, but that's now a big no no (for obvious copyright reasons) and the next option is to seek permission from the photographer, who might well want money.. and that take time etc - so, sod it, use any old image.

Online, pretty much every story needs an image. At least in the print editions, you can more easily just write up a story and not need to get an up to date or accurate photo for everything.
 
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