On those 378 units if they accessed via the internal door it's BR1 not T key , it's a T key for the external cab doors.
Ah, understood. I’m not familiar with the traction.
RFID are extremely vulnerable to duplication/extension or whatever. The locks are also normally electromagnets and therefore can be defeated with a powerful enough magnet. A further problem is the update speed of a mobile fleet - you would usually need to wait until the train got back to the depot to do it. And the requirement for power means that it would either be held hard down or hard open in the event of a power failure, so you'll still need a mechanical override.
Not sure on this one, but LO would presumably want their entire fleet so fitted for consistency. Which is 111 units, so 222 cabs to fit.
Not such an issue as that sort of tech is worth it to steal a Range Rover, not so much just to muck about.
True, but the only really urgent case is for a new driver who I assume dont just appear out of nowhere and start driving trains that day. Not like an office where you may need to revoke someone's access right now for security reasons.
That is tricky. It would have to fail open so as not to trap the crew. How much power do they need in terms of having a little battery that would last hours?
I was thinking more in terms of the speed in getting them all updated for new staff, lost key fobs etc
Depends on how you do it, but the issue would be it only takes one person to get a copy of authorised credentials and they can blow the thing wide open without you knowing until after they've gone.
No, the most urgent case would be for a driver who loses their key fob or gets it stolen. I'm presuming that if you used this system on trains you'd also use it on the driver Depot access and so forth.
I don't know but I can't imagine it will need much, although trickier if it has to fail open.
Once they're fitted, the data download wouldn't take long at all. The change in the system would take very little time, and it just depends on the update cycle (which could in theory be expedited if needed) to make sure the credential list is updated.
Truckers tend to stay with their trucks mainly so changeover isn't a problem. Bus drivers do change over but of course only have 1 cab so it's easier to ensure it's supervised.
How would they get a copy, apart from stealing one? Lot of effort for not much, and much more secure than keys you can buy on the internet.
If it is a tag with a code the the vast majority of folk wouldn't know what it was or did, it will get rescinded at some point, and wont open every train everywhere,so the risk is still far less than a t-key
What sort of data download would it be - I was thinking it would be kept separate from train software for security reasons and to enable quicker updates without waiting for an update cycle.
And yet, people make the effort to get into the cabs in the first place. People steal credentials for many reasons.
It won't take a lot of observation to work out what the driver is using to access the cab and driver depots etc. The risk is less than a T-Key but you can swap the keys out for something else less vulnerable.
The electronic tag reader would need either a continuous secure connection to a central server (not easy at, say, Dalston Junction) or a local copy of the authorisations list. The easiest way to do that would be to have it as a separate part of the TMS that is updated each night on a download when it gets back to the depot.
I had assumed that downloads to the TMS were too tightly controlled, for obvious reasons, for updates that often.
It wouldn't be part of the actual diagnostics and whatever, but AIUI ETCS will require regular downloads for ESRs and TSRs.
A RFID can be copied without physically touching it, unlike a physical key. And they can only be disabled by updating the list of permissions, which requires access to the system and a refresh of the list. not impossible but it's not a click of the fingers job. In an office it's nearly instantaneous because all the RFID readers will be wired in. Not the case on a train.
As there was no driver's key (which is different from the T-Key to enter the cab) there was no danger of these kids making the train move. The bigger danger would be blowing the emergency brake and sitting the train down until it had built up the air again.
Perhaps the person who originally recorded it realised that this being on social media for everyone to see was not the brightest idea. Or maybe BTP have been in touch...?
Tiktok probably removed it for breaching its terms of service.
Having read his Wikipedia page, I must retract my description of him as a "young lad", though he was quite young when he began his "adventures". I had no idea that his "career" for want of a better word, was so long-lived.
The behaviour, if at least some of them, is totally unacceptable; however it's the other videos which really show just how concerning these individuals behaviour can be.
I agree that some of these remarks are unhelpful, however it is true to say that antisocial behaviour of the sort depicted in the videos on the channel (which I observed does include at least one assault) can lead to more serious acts, and indeed done of the channel's other videos demonstrates that.
That's a perfectly reasonable view which many would agree with.
Kids having a go at the tones is one thing, but teenagers making boisterous announcements which could make people feel unsafe takes it to another level in my opinion.
Totally unacceptable by your standard? And which standard is that?
I think most people would find the behaviour unacceptable.
In a sense? I refer you to the above comments.
But equally if you find any actions to be unoffensive, that doesn't mean they aren't offensive.
No; why would it be?
Yes; why wouldn't it be?
Yes, there is.
In your opinion.
Still quite often the case on the Wirral Line (can't comment on Northern Line as I rarely use it), very common to see the cab doors left open at the terminus but in all the years I've been using the network I've never seen anybody go near it or bat an eyelid.
That's a hell of a leap to make without justification.
