TfW 15x/17x withdrawals (17x now finished)

[Welshguy1048]

Class 37 - 37608 T&T 37611 - moving Class 175 - 175112 - Holyhead Car M.D. to Barton Under Needwood Rsmd

 

[BillStampy]

Realtime Trains | 5W78 1543 Crewe Gresty Green to Landore T.M.D. | 29/02/2024

Real-time train running information for 5W78 1543 departure from Crewe Gresty Green to Landore T.M.D. on 29/02/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Crewe Gresty Green movement to Landore, seeing how Gresty Green is very much a hotspot for 175s, it'd be a struggle to predict which one may go (if it runs!)

 

[The_Train]

Are the 175s still leased to TfW at the moment or all now officially "off lease"?

 

[43096]

Are the 175s still leased to TfW at the moment or all now officially "off lease"?

They are still on lease except for those moved to Ely.

 

[The_Train]

They are still on lease except for those moved to Ely.

The Ely moves are what prompted my query as it is often a case that houses "off lease" units - thanks for confirming

 

[cymrutruth]

I live in swansea and can't help but notice how long the 175's have been sat around at the old GWR 43 works in Landore! What are they actually doing in there?!!!! Speaking with friends and colleagues at Ponty, they're costing TFW an absolute fortune (tens of millions) to get rid off because of the general condition and number of defects, but only went through refresh in 2019... how are they so bad already?

 

[Jez]

I live in swansea and can't help but notice how long the 175's have been sat around at the old GWR 43 works in Landore! What are they actually doing in there?!!!! Speaking with friends and colleagues at Ponty, they're costing TFW an absolute fortune (tens of millions) to get rid off because of the general condition and number of defects, but only went through refresh in 2019... how are they so bad already?

I think they are just being stored there until they know what is happening with them.

I also noticed a 197 the last twice I passed Landore going towards Llanelli, it was about 2 weeks apart so not sure if it was the same 197 or what number it was.

 

[BillStampy]

175109 being taken back to Landore by 37800 and 608.

 

[Bob Price]

According to a Facebook group a 150 comes off lease soon. Anyone have details?

 

[anthony263]

According to a Facebook group a 150 comes off lease soon. Anyone have details?

150279 been mentioned quite a few times on Facebook as its been dumped at Landore for ages

 

[bramling]

150279 been mentioned quite a few times on Facebook as its been dumped at Landore for ages

Being one of the ones involved in the Craven Arms incident (IIRC) it will be interesting to see if that particular unit ever works again.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

According to a Facebook group a 150 comes off lease soon. Anyone have details?

A while ago there was a similar post and somebody mooted 150236, as that unit is the first that requires its C6 overhaul. But not heard anything concrete.

 

[150249]

Being one of the ones involved in the Craven Arms incident (IIRC) it will be interesting to see if that particular unit ever works again.

Someone on Facebook has claimed that 150242 is far worse and is beyond economical repair. This claim was dismissed by others, however, confirming that both are currently being repaired.

 

[BillStampy]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K01215/2024-03-11/detailed more 175 movements to Papworth on Monday and Tuesday, freeing up space at Landore?

 

[Caaardiff]

Taken from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/tfw-‘active-travel’-class-153s.264423/

Rail vehicle dispensation: Transport for Wales Rail Ltd Active Travel Class 153s

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It is noted that TfW is currently drafting a future fleet and decarbonisation strategy looking at fleet plans up to 2040. This anticipates that the Class 153 units will predominantly operate on the HoW Line until around 2030, when they are expected to be life expired. While there is currently no firm plan for the replacement fleet, it is currently anticipated that the Class 153 units will be replaced by 2-car Class 197 units that would be cascaded from other routes.

By this time the popularity of the active travel layout on the Class 153/5 will be fully understood and consideration can be given to similarly modifying the Class 197s before they are introduced on to the HoW Line. While the Class 197s will not be brand new, they will still offer a modern fleet designed around current PRM requirements and will have a higher level of compliance than the Class 153s they would replace.

So 6 more years of the 153's with the expectation of being replaced by 197's, which isn't any surprise.

Surely it would have been better to order a few more 197's on the current order and negate the cost of maintaining the current ageing 153's and converting the active travel 153's given the 197's on the route were pretty much inevitable anyway.

 

[45076]

Does anyone know which the two 3 car sets are that are currently at Central Rivers?

 

[The_Train]

Surely it would have been better to order a few more 197's on the current order and negate the cost of maintaining the current ageing 153's and converting the active travel 153's given the 197's on the route were pretty much inevitable anyway.

I will have to get some more trips on the HOWL in over the next 6 years then. Can't see me wanting to do it on a 197

 

[BillStampy]

Realtime Trains | 5Z36 0800 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Landore T.M.D. | 20/03/2024

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This is 150236 correct? What's going on with it?

 

[Caaardiff]

Realtime Trains | 5Z36 0800 Cardiff Canton Sidings to Landore T.M.D. | 20/03/2024

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This is 150236 correct? What's going on with it?

Being retired and eventually scrapped after parts removal.

 

[BillStampy]

Being retired and eventually scrapped after parts removal.

Basically it's life with TfW and basically any operator is just over? Why?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Basically it's life with TfW and basically any operator is just over? Why?

It's reached the threshold for requiring its' C6 exam. Porterbrook do not want to pay for any further exams on the units so they are being off-leased as they reach that threshold.

 

[Meole]

Taken from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/tfw-‘active-travel’-class-153s.264423/

Rail vehicle dispensation: Transport for Wales Rail Ltd Active Travel Class 153s

www.gov.uk

So 6 more years of the 153's with the expectation of being replaced by 197's, which isn't any surprise.

Surely it would have been better to order a few more 197's on the current order and negate the cost of maintaining the current ageing 153's and converting the active travel 153's given the 197's on the route were pretty much inevitable anyway.

Sad to see 153s being phased out, remain extremely popular.

 

[DannyMich2018]

It's reached the threshold for requiring its' C6 exam. Porterbrook do not want to pay for any further exams on the units so they are being off-leased as they reach that threshold.

Oh dear. Let's hope some 756s or 398s enter service before too many 150s get retired otherwise real shortage of trains on TFW network.

 

[Bob Price]

I think there are sufficient 197's replacing them. Remember they don't just operate on the Valley lines.

 

[BillStampy]

Oh dear. Let's hope some 756s or 398s enter service before too many 150s get retired otherwise real shortage of trains on TFW network.

Better hope so, once the 150s are released from Ebbw Vale and Pembrokeshire, there should be more available to cover the ones being retired. It probably won't last though so better hurry up! Surely TfW see this happening.

 

[Future]

Oh dear. Let's hope some 756s or 398s enter service before too many 150s get retired otherwise real shortage of trains on TFW network.

Are the off-lease ones the ones that will be cascading to GWR?

 

[Anonymous10]

Are the off-lease ones the ones that will be cascading to GWR?

There has been no confirmation they will, with many comments saying they'll be retired as c6 overhauls are required and that porterbrook will not fund it.

 

[Future]

There has been no confirmation they will, with many comments saying they'll be retired as c6 overhauls are required and that porterbrook will not fund it.

I am reasonably sure that GWR are receiving TfW 150s to release 158s to cover HSTs when they go next year unless things have changed in the last month or so?

 

[Lurcheroo]

I am reasonably sure that GWR are receiving TfW 150s to release 158s to cover HSTs when they go next year unless things have changed in the last month or so?

No confirmation on anything, rumours of 175’s or 158’s from TFW. Where did you hear 150’s ?

 

[Future]

No confirmation on anything, rumours of 175’s or 158’s from TFW. Where did you hear 150’s ?

I have heard this all from people who work at GWR. 175s and 158s reportedly denied due to being non-standard (158s because Perkins engines and 175s for obvious reasons) and GWR want 150s for a quick entry into service as they need stock ASAP