TfW 175 shortages

[Andrew*Debbie]

Thanks for the full update @The Prisoner - quite interested in these 2 though, any ideas when they were officially taken off lease (roughly speaking of course)?

I last saw 002 at Bangor on 3 March 2023. It was being towed south by 004. No passengers on-board the the motor in the rear coach was locked off.

This is also the last sighting on Trainlogger. My guess is it came off lease no earlier then 3 March.

 

[berneyarms]

Post 277 of this thread shows a photo 175002 in Landore having arrived there on 4th March for an inspection by the leasing company.

 

[Western 52]

When was 002 last in service? I rode it from PBY to CDF on 3rd February.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

When was 002 last in service? I rode it from PBY to CDF on 3rd February.

Sometime in February I know. It did run down with 004 to Landore on 3rd March but was locked out so technically not in service.

 

[The_Train]

No idea of the exact date but I think it was posted somewhere on this forum when it happened. I assume they cant change their mind and bring the two that are off lease back in place of units there are out of service for repairs/parts donor etc?

I last saw 002 at Bangor on 3 March 2023. It was being towed south by 004. No passengers on-board the the motor in the rear coach was locked off.

This is also the last sighting on Trainlogger. My guess is it came off lease no earlier then 3 March.

Thanks both
Just realised I had 005 as being stored in March so it would make sense for 002 to be the same time. I have 005 as being at Holyhead though, is this still the case or has it returned to Landore or another depot at some point, does anybody know?

 

[sd0733]

Thanks both
Just realised I had 005 as being stored in March so it would make sense for 002 to be the same time. I have 005 as being at Holyhead though, is this still the case or has it returned to Landore or another depot at some point, does anybody know?

According to the system 175005 has been out of use since arriving into Holyhead at 02:47 on 24th Feb

Others showing as out of use are:
002 at Landore since 4th March
008 at Chester since 17th Feb
010 at Holyhead since 8th March
101 at Chester since 25th April
102 at Longsight since 26th April
104 at Chester since 16th April
105 at Holyhead since 10th March
106 at Holyhead since 10th March
107 at Chester since 27th April
111 at Longsight since ?
113 at Holyhead since 8th March
114 at Holyhead since 10th March
115 at Holyhead since 10th March.

 

[The_Train]

According to the system 175005 has been out of use since arriving into Holyhead at 02:47 on 24th Feb

Others showing as out of use are:
002 at Landore since 4th March
008 at Chester since 17th Feb
010 at Holyhead since 8th March
101 at Chester since 25th April
102 at Longsight since 26th April
104 at Chester since 16th April
105 at Holyhead since 10th March
106 at Holyhead since 10th March
107 at Chester since 27th April
111 at Longsight since ?
113 at Holyhead since 8th March
114 at Holyhead since 10th March
115 at Holyhead since 10th March.

Thanks for the update

 

[animationmilo]

According to the system 175005 has been out of use since arriving into Holyhead at 02:47 on 24th Feb

Others showing as out of use are:
002 at Landore since 4th March
008 at Chester since 17th Feb
010 at Holyhead since 8th March
101 at Chester since 25th April
102 at Longsight since 26th April
104 at Chester since 16th April
105 at Holyhead since 10th March
106 at Holyhead since 10th March
107 at Chester since 27th April
111 at Longsight since ?
113 at Holyhead since 8th March
114 at Holyhead since 10th March
115 at Holyhead since 10th March.

107 seems to be 1005 crewe to llandudno this morning

 

[SuperLuke2334]

107 seems to be 1005 crewe to llandudno this morning

Good that another one is back out.

 

[Jez]

According to the system 175005 has been out of use since arriving into Holyhead at 02:47 on 24th Feb

Others showing as out of use are:
002 at Landore since 4th March
008 at Chester since 17th Feb
010 at Holyhead since 8th March
101 at Chester since 25th April
102 at Longsight since 26th April
104 at Chester since 16th April
105 at Holyhead since 10th March
106 at Holyhead since 10th March
107 at Chester since 27th April
111 at Longsight since ?
113 at Holyhead since 8th March
114 at Holyhead since 10th March
115 at Holyhead since 10th March.

Thanks for posting this update. Seems a lot of the 3 car 175s are out of service which is unfortunate as they badly needed on the Marches.

 

[anthony263]

175007 passed me at Pyle station this morning around 1032 on its way to Milford haven

 

[Caaardiff]

According to the system 175005 has been out of use since arriving into Holyhead at 02:47 on 24th Feb

Others showing as out of use are:
002 at Landore since 4th March
008 at Chester since 17th Feb
010 at Holyhead since 8th March
101 at Chester since 25th April
102 at Longsight since 26th April
104 at Chester since 16th April
105 at Holyhead since 10th March
106 at Holyhead since 10th March
107 at Chester since 27th April
111 at Longsight since ?
113 at Holyhead since 8th March
114 at Holyhead since 10th March
115 at Holyhead since 10th March.

Apparently 175114 is back at Chester for repair.

 

[33017]

According to the system 175005 has been out of use since arriving into Holyhead at 02:47 on 24th Feb

Others showing as out of use are:
002 at Landore since 4th March
008 at Chester since 17th Feb
010 at Holyhead since 8th March
101 at Chester since 25th April
102 at Longsight since 26th April
104 at Chester since 16th April
105 at Holyhead since 10th March
106 at Holyhead since 10th March
107 at Chester since 27th April
111 at Longsight since ?
113 at Holyhead since 8th March
114 at Holyhead since 10th March
115 at Holyhead since 10th March.

005 last worked in normal service on 19th Feb (front of 1D55 21.07 Cardiff-Chester via Crewe with 175011). It was subsequently attached locked out of use on the rear of 1D48 00.38 Chester-Holyhead on 23rd Feb.

I believe 002 last worked in anger back in mid-January when it failed at Shrewsbury on a Manchester-south Wales working. After returning ECS to Chester a few days later. It subsequently worked LOOU on 1D41 21.36 Crewe-Holyhead from Chester with 175009 on 23rd Feb, then 1V94 08.05 Holyhead-Cardiff LOOU with 175004 on 3rd March before going ECS to Landore the following day.

 

[Jez]

So TFW currently have around 13 of the 175s out of service which means about 14 available for service. They probably need another 6 in service by the timetable change to avoid using Sprinters on long distance routes.

I would have said 17 or 18 to cover the 14 diagrams for 175s from May but given we arent likely to see a 197 in Passenger service South of Shrewsbury for a good while yet they will be needed to cover any booked work for 197s in the South.

 

[Topological]

Not totally sure how it works, but the random generator for the 05:36 from Swansea has thrown up a 175/1. Ultimately this diagram is supposed to be a 67

Apparently 175114 is back at Chester for repair.

Indeed it was 175114 according to RTT so must have been repaired quickly. Given there were some obvious groups on the way to drinking trips it was good to have 3 car train.

 

[Bob Price]

011 and 006 just passed Crewe cameras on their way to Longsight on 5Q33.

And 102 came the other way about 2pm

 

[Markdvdman]

I was waiting for the 14:06 service from Bridgend to Llanelli today (onwards to Milford Haven) and it was a 150 service. However, before that a Swansea service which was 15 mins late previous to that was a 3 car 175 but i forgot to get the number. Point is what are they doing sending a quiet 3 car 175 service to Swansea (the GWR 10 car service not far behind) and sending a rameed 2 car 150 to Milford??

 

[berneyarms]

I was waiting for the 14:06 service from Bridgend to Llanelli today (onwards to Milford Haven) and it was a 150 service. However, before that a Swansea service which was 15 mins late previous to that was a 3 car 175 but i forgot to get the number. Point is what are they doing sending a quiet 3 car 175 service to Swansea (the GWR 10 car service not far behind) and sending a rameed 2 car 150 to Milford??

It then operates back to Chester from Swansea on what a would be a very busy northbound service along the Marches.

You have to look at full set diagrams rather than one single departure.

 

[Markdvdman]

It then operates back to Chester from Swansea on what a would be a very busy northbound service along the Marches.

You have to look at full set diagrams rather than one single departure.

Maybe so but it is not good when I got off at Llanelli that people were looking where can i get a seat? I did point a young lady looking to where I vacated my seat but it is pathetic to be honest!

 

[Caaardiff]

Maybe so but it is not good when I got off at Llanelli that people were looking where can i get a seat? I did point a young lady looking to where I vacated my seat but it is pathetic to be honest!

So moral of the story is, there was seats available after all....?

 

[Anonymous10]

Maybe so but it is not good when I got off at Llanelli that people were looking where can i get a seat? I did point a young lady looking to where I vacated my seat but it is pathetic to be honest!

It's not really pathetic unless of course you deam the 150 suitable for the working the 175 was next suitable for, the milford work takes it a further 2 hours west and if the diagram finished in Chester (which I haven't looked if it did) then it may have required servicing. There is also engineering works I believe tomorrow in West Wales so they may prefer getting 150s or 153s stranded here to a 175

 

[william.martin]

Does this service really need to be 5 cars (2+3 175)?

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[Markdvdman]

I meant to say you try going on a 150 from Bridgend to Milford standing! Unlike on the Valleys lines there is a lot of luggage. By the time I got off at Llanelli it was horribly rammed. I know about the 175 issues but they are hardly crowning themselves in glory TFW. Remember when they promised for the metro that no line shutdowns except at nights and weekends. Blaming Covid is a shocking excuse - barring the Treherbert line which again should have been sorted long ago. It is also the case on the HOW line - they need to get rid of the token system! I am digressing apologies but for long distance runs a 2 car 150 is NOT acceptable sorry!

 

[craigybagel]

It is also the case on the HOW line - they need to get rid of the token system!

Why?

I am digressing apologies but for long distance runs a 2 car 150 is NOT acceptable sorry!

And your solution that is acceptable is?

 

[Anonymous10]

I meant to say you try going on a 150 from Bridgend to Milford standing! Unlike on the Valleys lines there is a lot of luggage. By the time I got off at Llanelli it was horribly rammed. I know about the 175 issues but they are hardly crowning themselves in glory TFW. Remember when they promised for the metro that no line shutdowns except at nights and weekends. Blaming Covid is a shocking excuse - barring the Treherbert line which again should have been sorted long ago. It is also the case on the HOW line - they need to get rid of the token system! I am digressing apologies but for long distance runs a 2 car 150 is NOT acceptable sorry!

I'm from Haverfordwest that route affects me daily but ultimately there are other considerations

 

[tomuk]

Why?

And your solution that is acceptable is?

Surely it is for TfW to come up with solution not the previous poster. The correct solution would have been for TfW to be more competent and have kept the proper oversite of 175 maintenance.

 

[craigybagel]

Surely it is for TfW to come up with solution not the previous poster. The correct solution would have been for TfW to be more competent and have kept the proper oversite of 175 maintenance.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. You could as much blame Alsthom and FNW 20 years ago for the design flaw that was exacerbated by the maintenance issues.

My point is what is the magic solution that TfW can do right now to make things better? It's all very well saying things are unacceptable, but what are the alternatives?

 

[Markdvdman]

No easy solution but TFW customers as Arriva have been looked upon as second class for YEARS!!! Wales is treated second class end of and the metro delays are pathetic it is the usual 'wait and see things will change' clap trap. Does not seem like it at this moment in time!

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Does this service really need to be 5 cars (2+3 175)?

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I was on a 5-car Llandudno-Manchester Airport (2-car + 3-car 175) this week.
But the 2-car unit was detached at Chester, however RTT continued to say it was 5-car for the rest of the day.
RTT doesn't always pick up the split/join situation, and TfW do that a lot.

 

[tomuk]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. You could as much blame Alsthom and FNW 20 years ago for the design flaw that was exacerbated by the maintenance issues.

It isn't hindsight it is just a basic expectation that a transport authority and its operating company should be able to provide the basic competencies like maintaining its own train fleet. The 175s foibles are well known so you'd think that the current operator would have been aware that extra care should be taken.