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The Conservative Party under Kemi Badenoch
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Howardh
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I forgot - grandad in tin bath in front of the fire in the kitchen. Once a week, every Friday!
Culture - every region in the UK has it's own "culture" so to say we have a "national culture" is a bit misleading; we are a country of four countries anyway, so which bit would an immigrant have to culturize themselves into?? Eh, Kemi??
In your opinion.
To me, if the fab four wrote it and performed it, it’s a Beatles song.
That said, I’m still at a loss to understand why a band from 60 years ago defines any part of current British culture except in the eyes of those who’d have us believe that we need scapegoats for our imagined cultural losses.
Badenoch’s just proposed a 15 year wait on citizenship for people who come here to set up their lives. Another truly idiotic idea that will never happen and would put Britain well out of step with most other places, and cause us to fail to attract talent.
Pathetic.
Pathetic.
It's just another announcement to try and out reform Reform. The Conservative party is just occupied with preventing Reform replacing them as the opposition. Philp was on Today this morning, effectively describing citizenship under their proposal as a privilege only available to well-paid applicants, ergo - more likely to be politically Conservative aligned.
That wouldn't really be true though - many well qualified potential immigrants will simply look elsewhere. Take my wife - she's South African, a qualified chartered accountant, six figure salary. When she emigrated 8 years ago with a degree and 6 years work experience she had a choice; why would anyone well-connected and well-qualified choose to set up their life in the UK when there's a 15 year wait to get a passport?
Australia will give citizenship in four years. In the UK it's usually six years at present. New Zealand - five. And so on. At the present it's all much of a muchness, but 15 years will render the UK completely unattractive.
SuspectUsual
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But that’s exactly what she wants. She’s made herself - and the Tories - hostages to fortune by declaring they will get immigration down. They don’t care who doesn’t come here, as long as it’s less people
Oh of course. It's quite bonkers.
DarloRich
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It is standard Tory exceptionalism. They live in a fantasy world that Britain alone has the power to attract and retrain the best forign talent.
Also was this Philip the chancer on the radio saying we all had to work harder? Funny he didn't mention paying me more to work longer or harder!
Philp. He never passes up the opportunity to open his mouth and speak utter nonsense in the vicinity of a microphone.
brad465
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He also looks and sounds like someone who got their head stuck in some railings as a youngster.
Made me laugh, - I shall remember that every time the irritant turns up to give his two-penn'th on the news.
SuspectUsual
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He's a BTEC Jeremy Hunt
This morning he was happily saying the last government made mistakes, sounding for all the world like he wasn't a part of it
edwin_m
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Having themselves made it go up hugely due to Brexit.
SteveP29
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15 years is give or take, about a third of a person's working life.
Why would anyone want to subject themselves to that length of uncertainty with no guarantees?
Back to the subject in hand, I see the Conservative party is having another round of redundancies due to a “collapse” in funding. Telegraph article below, but behind a paywall and I’m not funding that publication!
www.telegraph.co.uk
Tories to make redundancies as donations plunge
Party plans job losses for second time since losing last year’s general election to Labour
www.telegraph.co.uk
FinsburyPark
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Personally in my eyes the conservative party (like Reform and UKIP that came before) has become too much of a party that seems to like a reactionary style of politics.
As a Lib Dem voter the only 2 Tory prime ministers that were 'allright' was David Cameron and Theresa May. They had a business as usual kind of political spirit about them and reactionary politics and culture wars were not part of thier political brand.
Yes it was never perfect and the David Cameron era was the time when 'cuts' and 'austerity' became part of the public lexicon in a meaningful way.
In my eyes it all went downhill from the Boris era to present day.
I think the party needs to find a moderate one nation conservative style leader who can (mostly) unite all the different factions within the party. Only then can the party move forward.
Also, even though Nigel Farage was the inventor of Brexit, the Tories were the ones who actually implemented the idea.
It looks that no matter how quickly or slowly the change is happening, a gradual change in public consensus is happening around the Brexit topic. I wonder how that might influence the electability of the Tories.
As a Lib Dem voter the only 2 Tory prime ministers that were 'allright' was David Cameron and Theresa May. They had a business as usual kind of political spirit about them and reactionary politics and culture wars were not part of thier political brand.
Yes it was never perfect and the David Cameron era was the time when 'cuts' and 'austerity' became part of the public lexicon in a meaningful way.
In my eyes it all went downhill from the Boris era to present day.
I think the party needs to find a moderate one nation conservative style leader who can (mostly) unite all the different factions within the party. Only then can the party move forward.
Also, even though Nigel Farage was the inventor of Brexit, the Tories were the ones who actually implemented the idea.
It looks that no matter how quickly or slowly the change is happening, a gradual change in public consensus is happening around the Brexit topic. I wonder how that might influence the electability of the Tories.
This is not possible. The party is in terminal decline and has been since Johnson’s purge. Reform will take up the mantle of the mainstream right by the next election cycle.
Cloud Strife
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I don't think they will, for the simple reason that the Tories have a lot of strength in depth. Reform are only getting away with it right now because the Tories are still stuck in the aftermath of defeat, but they'll wake up by the time that the next election cycle starts. Having said that, Badenoch is completely the wrong person, and it says a lot about the Tories right now that they considered her a suitable leader.
Strength in depth? Possibly only amongst those who stood down at the last election?
Meanwhile perhaps Badenoch was the least worst chance to counter the Torys’ Reform-ready parliamentary headbangers such as Jenrick, Braverman, Patel, Francois etc.?
The whole Tory-lite vs Tory-right mess will continue while it’s sole policy is ‘copy/stop Farage’.
Really? Did you see the leadership contest? The party is finished.
Don't forget they only had 121 MPs from which to choose a leader - not exactly a wide field.
dangie
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They must be buried pretty deep as they hasn’t surfaced yet.
She’s basically invisible. She was talking on the news the other day and my wife (who watches little news) asked me who she was. I told her it was Kemi Badenoch, leader of the Conservative Party. She said ‘Oh is that her…?’
Who lost their seat that would have provided a better contest?
Ben Wallace resigned before the election, and he seems to be a decent chap. But we do seem to be short of 'conviction politicians' from both sides of the House (not convicted politicians!). Rees Mogg would have been entertaining - he seems to have a wealth of knowledge.
ChrisC
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That’s almost exactly where I stand but I don’t think it will happen. I have voted Conservative all of my life but stopped after Theresa May. I could not vote for Boris and all that has followed. I’ve always very much been a moderate centre right voter and was not in favour of Brexit. At the last two elections I have voted Lib Dem although that is very much a wasted vote here as they stuggle to even get 1,000 votes. The MP here has over the years mostly been Conservative, but occasionally Labour, and we now have a Labour MP. I very much fear that we could get a Reform MP in four years time. The Conservatives under Kemi Badanoch will not win people like me back. Even the very traditional working class Labour voters around here are very disappointed with Keir Starmer and seem to be turning towards Reform.
Neither of those people are good or engaging politicians who would ever have been Prime Minister.
Rees-Mogg is (was?!) a rare type of conviction politician, I’ll grant you that, and politics is actually poorer for people like him not being around. Rees-Mogg will defend a premise which means that he is sincere in victory and when he loses the defeat has been properly and well won, rather than him having his head turned.
FinsburyPark
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@ChrisC
i find that an intersting paradox. That working class voters who feel ignored/alienated by the Starmer era Labour are turning to Reform.
The reason i say that is because Reform are not left wing in the slightest. Reform are in fact the catalyst that make the Tories go more to the right, and to reactionary/culture wars styles of political discourse.
That said, i live in the South East and cannot profess to understand the conplexities of voter sentiment in other area of the country such as the midlands or the north.
i find that an intersting paradox. That working class voters who feel ignored/alienated by the Starmer era Labour are turning to Reform.
The reason i say that is because Reform are not left wing in the slightest. Reform are in fact the catalyst that make the Tories go more to the right, and to reactionary/culture wars styles of political discourse.
That said, i live in the South East and cannot profess to understand the conplexities of voter sentiment in other area of the country such as the midlands or the north.
317 forever
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I can think of 121 Conservatives Reform would like to make redundantBack to the subject in hand, I see the Conservative party is having another round of redundancies due to a “collapse” in funding. Telegraph article below, but behind a paywall and I’m not funding that publication!
Tories to make redundancies as donations plunge
Party plans job losses for second time since losing last year’s general election to Labour
