the most over the top restrictions introduced

AdamWW

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Sigh. Where did I mention time?

What I did mention was stress and flustered as a result of the entire air travel “experiencel - thus making any superficial temp measurement absolute BS.
Ah OK.

I misinterpreted your comment " as they wait for reuions with loved ones? " as saying people would have to wait for their temperature to be checked before being allowed out.
 
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Really? I didn't think the changes in legislation stretched that far.
From the Bluebell's reopening info:

"We regret that owing to the age and design of the carriages used for our service, we are currently unable to accommodate wheelchair-bound passengers. If you or a member of your party have mobility issues and would like to travel on this service, please call our Customer Services Team on 01825 720800 who will be happy to discuss your requirements with you."
 

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From the Bluebell's reopening info:

"We regret that owing to the age and design of the carriages used for our service, we are currently unable to accommodate wheelchair-bound passengers. If you or a member of your party have mobility issues and would like to travel on this service, please call our Customer Services Team on 01825 720800 who will be happy to discuss your requirements with you."
That's awful.

I'm wonder if this might be of interest @kingqueen, if he still reads the forum.
 

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From the Bluebell's reopening info:

"We regret that owing to the age and design of the carriages used for our service, we are currently unable to accommodate wheelchair-bound passengers. If you or a member of your party have mobility issues and would like to travel on this service, please call our Customer Services Team on 01825 720800 who will be happy to discuss your requirements with you."
That makes it at least two then, as this is the Churnet Valley Railway:

"Unfortunately for the time being, we will not be able to accommodate people in wheelchairs. Where a person with reduced mobility can be assisted from the platform by a Carer and sit in a regular seat, then we will happily accommodate this."

Expect more of this in other businesses as they all begin to realise they can now legally exclude disabled people without fear of prosecution. :(
 

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I thought the one way system at Leeds was annoying, until I turned up at Manchester Piccadilly at the weekend

'Ah my train is Platform 1 so plenty of time to have another pint before heading there'

...The stupid one way system forces you to literally walk to the opposite end of the platform entrances just to loop back to Platform 1!
 

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I've started to ignore one way systems. Most of them are completely farcical. What's wrong with two adults avoiding each others personal space, like we've been doing for millennia?
A lot of them are just to tick a box to "comply" with government guidance anyway. The restaurant I went to tonight is a first floor job, with narrow stairs off the street. Now marked out with one way arrows up and down on the left, but they are only a couple of feet wide, so everyone does what they always have and makes sure there's no one coming in the opposite direction before ascending/descending.
The other thing is seats with out of use stickers on them. So if I'm with my wife and family only one of us can sit down?
 

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My barbers was the same, collecting some info (which was clearly gibberish) purely “in case the Council come round and want to see something”. Other than that it was as normal - so they’ve retained me as a customer.
 

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Although I suppose there's less need to check use-by-dates in B&Q than in a supermarket.

I'm afraid that if I pick up something in a supermarket and the use-by date is too close, I will put it back.
But unlike the majority of shoppers I do bother to sanitize my hands on the way in and keep them away from my face.

But if you can't actually look at things you're going to buy, that's one big advantage over on-line shopping wiped out.
A condition/date check takes seconds. Rarely are many items actually on sale with much of a range and bread is the only one I tend to need to handle to check.

I can need many minutes and a google to check which electrical/plumbing fitting or sealant type or whatever is going to be the one I need. I actually think I know what I’m doing DIYwise!

It took about 15 minutes including a quick facetime home to decide which brackets to get for some hanging baskets recently...

I haven’t seen people behave differently with regard to handling items than before. I tell my kids normally not to touch stuff but that is more about not knocking/breaking it.
 

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A condition/date check takes seconds. Rarely are many items actually on sale with much of a range and bread is the only one I tend to need to handle to check.
I think you are extrapolating from your experiences too much.

The supermarket I use very often has food out with a wide range of sell-by dates.

If I know I want something to keep, I will go fishing around the back to find ones with a later sell-by date than the ones at the front. I haven't changed this behaviour. It minimises the number of times I have to go to the supermarket which is also something we are, or at least were, encouraged to do.

To be fair I'm not sure if they are still telling people not to do that. I do tend to tune out the constant announcements and posters everywhere, though.
 

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I think you are extrapolating from your experiences too much.
I really think you’d benefit from considering your own comments and how they may apply more to yourself than the people you ascribe them to.

What are you actually arguing for anyway?

The point was in B&Q, as can be seen by observing people - you need to look at the potential products closely in order to make a choice so telling people not to is asinine. In a supermarket, most if not nearly all things are routine enough you don’t. It isn’t controversial unless you want to make it so.
 

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What are you actually arguing for anyway?

The point was in B&Q, as can be seen by observing people - you need to look at the potential products closely in order to make a choice so telling people not to is asinine. In a supermarket, most if not nearly all things are routine enough you don’t. It isn’t controversial unless you want to make it so.
Fine. Not a big deal.

Just pointing out that there can be good reason to pick things up in a supermarket and put them back down again even if you're familiar with the products.

You said that supermarkets don't generally put things out with a range of sell by dates on. That may be true where you shop, but is completely untrue where I do.
 

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You said that supermarkets don't generally put things out with a range of sell by dates on. That may be true where you shop, but is completely untrue where I do.
Milk is a common example, with supermarkets often recieving multiple batches and putting the ones with a long use by date at the back.
That said, under the current circumstances I don't massively want to be purchasing a product which has been picked up and put down, or shoved out of the way, by several other shoppers, especially if they've not bothered to wash/sanitise their hands.
 

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That makes it at least two then, as this is the Churnet Valley Railway:

"Unfortunately for the time being, we will not be able to accommodate people in wheelchairs. Where a person with reduced mobility can be assisted from the platform by a Carer and sit in a regular seat, then we will happily accommodate this."

Expect more of this in other businesses as they all begin to realise they can now legally exclude disabled people without fear of prosecution. :(
I expect there will be a court case soon.

I personally can't see why wheelchair users can't be accommodated, but if there is something in the government "guidance" which permits this (or more likely where the operators think it permits this) then this is a case where one piece of legislation (The Coronavirus Act 2020) conflicts with another piece of legislation (The Equality Act 2010)

It is also reported that the incidence of COVID-19 is higher amongst people from ethnic minorities, yet no operator would dare to exclude them in order "...to keep all our customers safe..."

Such conflicts can only be resolved by the courts.
 

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... It is also reported that the incidence of COVID-19 is higher amongst people from ethnic minorities, yet no operator would dare to exclude them in order "...to keep all our customers safe..."

Such conflicts can only be resolved by the courts.
So just what sort of characteristic held only by people of 'ethnic minorities' do you think that any sort of business would highlight as a reason for discrimination?
 

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Bit late to this but:
  • At Preston Road tube station there is/was a big sign about using the station toilet 'safely' during Covid-19, I could swear one of the bullet points was one person in the toilet at a time. I wonder if there was an event that made them feel they needed to write that...
The toilets at Reading mention one person at a time. How on earth are you supposed to know if there is already someone else in there? Once inside, it seems rather pointless to turn round and walk back out again.
 

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The toilets at Reading mention one person at a time. How on earth are you supposed to know if there is already someone else in there? Once inside, it seems rather pointless to turn round and walk back out again.
Many of the pubs around my area have handy "Available / In use" signs on the doors. Great idea until someone forgets to set the sign back to "Available" and you end up standing outside for ages looking like a right <bleep>*.

(*So I am told, this has never happened to me, honest guv, it was a mate)
 

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From the Bluebell's reopening info:

"We regret that owing to the age and design of the carriages used for our service, we are currently unable to accommodate wheelchair-bound passengers. If you or a member of your party have mobility issues and would like to travel on this service, please call our Customer Services Team on 01825 720800 who will be happy to discuss your requirements with you."
So far as I can see this applies to their evening dining trains that were not previously wheelchair-accessible either.
I.e. nothing to do with Covid restrictions (though in itself not a good thing).
 

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So just what sort of characteristic held only by people of 'ethnic minorities' do you think that any sort of business would highlight as a reason for discrimination?
I wasn't advocating that people from ethnic minorities should be excluded from heritage railways because of their higher incidence of COVID-19.

The law specifically makes this illegal anyway

What I was saying was that it is a nonsense for heritage railways to break the law by refusing carriage to wheelchair users, and using COVID-19 as an excuse.
 

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So far as I can see this applies to their evening dining trains that were not previously wheelchair-accessible either.
I.e. nothing to do with Covid restrictions (though in itself not a good thing).
I don't think it does.

They are offering seven different services after reopening, six with catering and one where exclusive use of a compartment is bookable. All seven options have the same message.
 

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I wasn't advocating that people from ethnic minorities should be excluded from heritage railways because of their higher incidence of COVID-19.

The law specifically makes this illegal anyway

What I was saying was that it is a nonsense for heritage railways to break the law by refusing carriage to wheelchair users, and using COVID-19 as an excuse.
I wasn't suggesting that you did advocate racial exclusion, - merely asking that as you brought the subject up, you might be able to concieve a situation wheresomebody could.
 

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I wasn't suggesting that you did advocate racial exclusion, - merely asking that as you brought the subject up, you might be able to concieve a situation wheresomebody could.
Someone could conceivably use the higher incidence of COVID-19 amongst ethnic minorities as a reason for excluding them from certain premises, or for locking them down whilst letting the rest of the population move freely.

Whilst this may be justifiable from an epidemiological point of view, it is completely unnacceptable politically and socially, which is why it will never happen.
 
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But would it raise the temperature of the skin on your forehead which is where the measurement is taken if you've just walked some distance in the sun ?
It doesn't work like that! My wife has bought a scanning thermometer as she has a critical condition, and we have been trying it out. So what happens if you check your temperature at your forehead, then go for a walk in the sun? Rather than your forehead temperature going up, it actually goes down. This happened every time we tried it. The reason is simple. When we are in a hot environment we sweat. The sweat on your forehead evaporates, cooling the surface. Sweating is a mechanism which helps maintain a constant core body temperature.
 
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It doesn't work like that! My wife has bought a scanning thermometer as she has a critical condition, and we have been trying it out. So what happens if you check your temperature at your forehead, then go for a walk in the sun? Rather than your forehead temperature going up, it actually goes down. This happened every time we tried it. The reason is simple. When we are in a hot environment we sweat. The sweat on your forehead evaporates, cooling the surface. Sweating is a mechanism which helps maintain a constant core body temperature.
There was quite a bit of to-ing and fro-ing about this on Duncan Bannatyne's Twitter, with people saying that if they ran to the gym they'd be too hot and get turned away, and Bannatyne's response was that they've checked everyone on the way in since they reopened (including people who had run or cycled to the gym) and hadn't by that point actually yet found anyone who had a temperature.
 

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Went to a County Park today. Groups of more than 1 cannot hire a pedalo unless they live together. Not sure how they check.

Apart from nightclubs, soft play areas not opening and no park run - I havent a clue what the restrictions are anymore. Can people not from the same household share a pedalo?
 

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I went into a local mini market shop today. The shop wasn't busy so the chap behind the counter appeared to be individually wiping all the notes from his till using a damp cloth while wearing disposal gloves.

Either this gentleman has a bit of Covid OCD, or he has a wierd desire to gave her Majesty a facial wash, or there is a new scam going on with the new £10 & £20 notes that I am not aware of!!!!!

The same chap was doing this chore while singing away to A-ha's 'Take on Me' that was on the radio at the time.

CJ
 

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